Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Mon, 07 January 2019 12:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
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--On Monday, January 7, 2019 15:53 +0530 Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan <giri@dombox.org> wrote: > Trillions of mails sent every year. Why do we have to waste > trillion of requests every year in trying for 465 when the > signalling step can be embedded in the mx host name? > > Can you give me a good reason, not to go for my solution? Borrowing a bit from the note I sent a few minutes ago (please read it first), there are efforts all around the world to get DNS names into local writing systems and compatible with the writing systems used in local languages -- so-called "internationalized domain names" or "IDNs" That effort has already turned things like www.<label-in-non-latin-script>.<label-in-non-latin-script> into an ugly mess and invitation to assorted attacks, especially if that script either looks a lot like Latin or is mostly written right to left. Naming conventions have their place and can be really convenient, but turning them into protocol elements rather than hints for convenience is just a really bad idea. If DNS tricks are needed and useful, use SRV records. john
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit T… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Gilles Chehade
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Gilles Chehade
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Paul Smith
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Paul Smith
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Richard Clayton
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Ted Lemon
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Paul Smith
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Ted Lemon
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Ted Lemon
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Ted Lemon
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Paul Smith
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Ted Lemon
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Ted Lemon
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Paul Smith
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Carl S. Gutekunst
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… valdis.kletnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- [ietf-smtp] STARTTLS everywhere / Re: SMTP Over T… Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Evert Mouw
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Mark Andrews
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implic… Ted Lemon