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Re: [ietf-smtp] Public Key Look Up

Gene Hightower <gene@digilicious.com> Fri, 14 May 2021 20:19 UTC

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From: Gene Hightower <gene@digilicious.com>
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Public Key Look Up
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On 14/05/2021 13:14, John Levine wrote:

> S/MIME is built into every desktop MUA and most mobile MUAs.  Once you get
> the key installed, it's also TOFU and fairly automatic.

The problem here seems to be getting a cert.

> Given that PEP has been around for five years and this is the first I've heard
> of it, I don't think that yet another crypto system is going to solve anything.

Well, it's PGP under the hood.

(I'm not an expert on any of these systems, so please anybody correct me
if I'm wrong)

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