Re: Vote NO on R-L-G IP Address Allocation proposal
Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au> Tue, 27 October 1992 10:31 UTC
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From: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: Vote NO on R-L-G IP Address Allocation proposal
To: Tony Hain <ALH@eagle.es.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 21:22:06 +1100
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In-Reply-To: <921026190504.636@EAGLE.ES.NET> from "Tony Hain" at Oct 26, 92 07:05:04 pm
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Peter and Ross, > We have no good short term options. As I have said before, the IP internet is > dying, it just doesn't know it yet. It will soon go the way of the research > Decnets which outgrew the address space. RFC 1366 is an attempt to tide us > over until a new approach is here, and it appears to be our best hope. Tony has hit the nail firmly on the head. Sitting out on a far limb of the Internet, with a single connecting lifeline things sure look differnet from here. I guess that the distance adds a certain degree of perspective and detached observation to what is a hot topic. Yes, it appears that we are outgrowing our address space, and the big-internet list is a graphic illustration of the fact that there is no simple quick fix remedy that is within out immediate grasp. I have said in the past that tinkering with address allocation strategies is a very indirect way of trying to ease the burden of deployed networks coping with growth, but it has to be remembered that once the B space is exhausted we will start to romp through the C space with gay abandon - and the inevitable consequence is a future expansion of the number of routable entities (assuming that we persist with the A / B / C routing structure). Broad geographic allocation mechanisms are at least susceptible to aggregation strategies - which is a more positive position over what we have right now. In my humble opinion RFC1366 attempts to postpone the day of adoption of poor man's IP routing, and is worthy of considered attention on those grounds. Having argued personally in the past that provider-based address allocation mechanisms is suboptimal, I must admit that there are few viable short term alternatives which have a hope of flying within the current Internet. An anarchic, or unordered address allocation strategy will not be seen as being equitable within the broader international domain, and this document at least attempts to set out a strategy which is seen as being equally accessible for all parties. I'm not sure that one can aim for any loftier objectives at this late stage in the game. I suppose the problem is that coping with exponential growth is something that most people never really meet up with .. and the Internet is now on the final stages of capability to service this explosive growth. What next is anyone's guess. My 2c anyway... Geoff Huston Australia
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