Re: ietf Digest, Vol 91, Issue 72

As a customs officer or border officer a year long unlimited visa is issued granting entrance and exit unlimited one year 

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>   1. Re: Hotel situation (Jari Arkko)
>   2. Re: Hotel situation (Jared Mauch)
>   3. Re: Argentina with tourist visa ? (Lou Berger)
>   4. Re: Argentina with tourist visa ? (John Levine)
>   5. Re: Argentina with tourist visa ? (Toerless Eckert)
>   6. Re: Argentina with tourist visa ? (John Levine)
>   7. Re: Argentina with tourist visa ? (John Levine)
>   8. Re: Argentina with tourist visa ? (Christian O'Flaherty)
>   9. Re: Argentina with tourist visa ? (Warren Kumari)
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:59:13 +0200
> From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
> To: Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com>
> Cc: iaoc-mtgs@isoc.org, IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: Hotel situation
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>> 1. How many rooms at the Hilton where blocked out at the rate of $209 ?
>> 2. How many rooms at the Hilton where blocked out at the rate of $270 ?
>> 3. Home many rooms at the hilton at the rate of $209 where available for
>>  booking at the time yesterday when the official announcement was made to the IETF mailing list ?
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> I don?t know the answer to this but we?ll get you one.
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> Jari
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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:04:05 -0500
> From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
> To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>
> Cc: iaoc-mtgs@isoc.org, IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
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>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:
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>>> 1. How many rooms at the Hilton where blocked out at the rate of $209 ?
>>> 2. How many rooms at the Hilton where blocked out at the rate of $270 ?
>>> 3. Home many rooms at the hilton at the rate of $209 where available for
>>> booking at the time yesterday when the official announcement was made to the IETF mailing list ?
>> 
>> I don?t know the answer to this but we?ll get you one.
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> I know myself and several co-workers all got rooms at the hilton.
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> - Jared
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 09:04:23 -0500
> From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
> To: Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com>, IAOC IAOC <iaoc@ietf.org>
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Argentina with tourist visa ?
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>> On 12/17/2015 8:25 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>> I am hereby asking you to have IAOC/IETF request officially with the argentinian
>> authorities if someone who visits Buenos Aires as a participant to the IETF is
>> legally permitted to declare that he/she is entering the country as a tourist.
> I think understanding the visa requirements is a reasonable request. 
> I'll discuss within the IAOC and someone (or I) will get back to the list.
> 
> Lou
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> Message: 4
> Date: 17 Dec 2015 14:36:23 -0000
> From: "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Argentina with tourist visa ?
> Message-ID: <20151217143623.17965.qmail@ary.lan>
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>> I called up the argentinian consulate in Hamburg, and they told me that
>> if i was to attend a conference i would need a business visa. This is also
>> laid out on their web site:
> 
> As a data point, when I went to the ICANN meeting last year and the
> OAS/ITU meeting in Mendoza the year before that, I did not get a visa,
> just the reciprocity fee.  I am fairly sure that none of the EU
> citizens I know got a visa for either of those meetings, either.
> 
> R's,
> John
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 06:40:19 -0800
> From: Toerless Eckert <eckert@cisco.com>
> To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
> Cc: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Argentina with tourist visa ?
> Message-ID: <20151217144019.GA22324@cisco.com>
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> Are there any immigrations forms into/out-of argentina where you'd
> have to mark "purpose of visit" (business/tourist) ?
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> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 02:36:23PM +0000, John Levine wrote:
>>> I called up the argentinian consulate in Hamburg, and they told me that
>>> if i was to attend a conference i would need a business visa. This is also
>>> laid out on their web site:
>> 
>> As a data point, when I went to the ICANN meeting last year and the
>> OAS/ITU meeting in Mendoza the year before that, I did not get a visa,
>> just the reciprocity fee.  I am fairly sure that none of the EU
>> citizens I know got a visa for either of those meetings, either.
>> 
>> R's,
>> John
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> Toerless Eckert, eckert@cisco.com
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> Message: 6
> Date: 17 Dec 2015 14:39:54 -0000
> From: "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Argentina with tourist visa ?
> Message-ID: <20151217143954.18000.qmail@ary.lan>
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>> I called up the argentinian consulate in Hamburg, and they told me that
>> if i was to attend a conference i would need a business visa. This is also
>> laid out on their web site:
> 
> As a data point, when I went to the ICANN meeting last year and the
> OAS/ITU meeting in Mendoza the year before that, I did not get a visa,
> just the reciprocity fee.  I am fairly sure that none of the EU
> citizens I know got a visa for either of those meetings, either.
> 
> R's,
> John
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: 17 Dec 2015 14:45:22 -0000
> From: "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Argentina with tourist visa ?
> Message-ID: <20151217144522.18040.qmail@ary.lan>
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> In article <20151217144019.GA22324@cisco.com> you write:
>> Are there any immigrations forms into/out-of argentina where you'd
>> have to mark "purpose of visit" (business/tourist) ?
> 
> I don't remember, but I made no secret of the fact that I was going to
> the various meetings.
> 
> There was a special form to declare your mobile phone, which the customs
> guy didn't even look at.  Apparently there's a black market in phones or
> they've been used as surrogate money or something.
> 
> R's,
> John
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:10:00 -0200
> From: "Christian O'Flaherty" <christian.oflaherty@gmail.com>
> To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
> Cc: "ietf@ietf.org list" <ietf@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: Argentina with tourist visa ?
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>>> Are there any immigrations forms into/out-of argentina where you'd
>>> have to mark "purpose of visit" (business/tourist) ?
>> 
>> I don't remember, but I made no secret of the fact that I was going to
>> the various meetings.
> 
> There are no more immigration forms. Just the customs form.
> As an advise, do not refer to business in any situation because in
> Latin America, it will mean comercial business.
> Attending a conference is not considered business.
> 
> Christian
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:51:30 +0000
> From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
> To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, ietf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Argentina with tourist visa ?
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>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:45 AM John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In article <20151217144019.GA22324@cisco.com> you write:
>>> Are there any immigrations forms into/out-of argentina where you'd
>>> have to mark "purpose of visit" (business/tourist) ?
>> 
>> I don't remember, but I made no secret of the fact that I was going to
>> the various meetings.
> 
> Yup, I usually leave the business / tourist box blank, and when I get to
> the immigrations person I simply say that I didn't know which one to check,
> and that I'm here to attend $confernce_name.
> 
> Has always worked fine <knock wood, etc>
> 
> There was a special form to declare your mobile phone, which the customs
>> guy didn't even look at.  Apparently there's a black market in phones or
>> they've been used as surrogate money or something.
> 
> Yup. The form asked me for make, model, serial and imei. I was surprised by
> the last one, because I figure most people have no idea how to find this.
> 
> I've visited Argentina a few times now, the first time they actually looked
> at the phone form, the last time(s) they ignored it...
> 
> W
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>> R's,
>> John
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