RE: [PWE3] Last Call: 'IANA Allocations for pseudo Wire Edge to E dge Emulation (PWE3)' to BCP

["Gray, Eric" <[e-mail]>]

Luca,

	Thanks!

--
Eric

--> -----Original Message-----
--> From: [e-mail] 
--> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
--> Luca Martini
--> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:38 PM
--> To: Gray, Eric
--> Cc: 'Harald Tveit Alvestrand'; [e-mail]; [e-mail];
--> [e-mail]; Stewart Bryant
--> Subject: Re: [PWE3] Last Call: 'IANA Allocations for pseudo 
--> Wire Edge to
--> E dge Emulation (PWE3)' to BCP
--> 
--> 
--> Eric,
--> 
--> Last Call Has ended , and I did not see any objections to 
--> using the IETF 
--> consensus instead of "reserved" . ( which I mean to be 
--> according to rfc 
--> 2434 )
--> 
--> I also support having the working changed from reserved to "IETF 
--> consensus according to rfc 2434"  as suggested by Stewart.
--> I believe that this will give the IETF the same degree os 
--> control, over 
--> the allocations , but will significantly cut down on bureaucracy.
--> 
--> Luca
--> 
--> 
--> Gray, Eric wrote:
--> > Harald,
--> > 
--> > 	Yes, word-smithing is hard.  In this case, there was
--> > one position that the majority of the number spaces might
--> > be used for vendor specific applications (where "vendor" -
--> > in this case - includes organizations in general and vendor
--> > cooperative fora specifically).
--> > 
--> > 	The choice for "Standards Action" would eliminate at
--> > least part of the number space from being used in this way
--> > - even at the cost of going through the last call process.
--> > It's hard to be both vendor proprietary and standard.
--> > 
--> > 	Most of the negotiation process in this case has been
--> > with an awareness of RFC 2434 as Thomas Narten and no less
--> > than two current ADs have previously referred discussion to 
--> > this RFC at least a few times.
--> > 
--> > --
--> > Eric
--> > 
--> > --> -----Original Message-----
--> > --> From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand [mailto:[e-mail]]
--> > --> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:38 PM
--> > --> To: Gray, Eric; Stewart Bryant; [e-mail]
--> > --> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
--> > --> Subject: RE: [PWE3] Last Call: 'IANA Allocations for pseudo 
--> > --> Wire Edge to
--> > --> E dge Emulation (PWE3)' to BCP
--> > --> 
--> > --> 
--> > --> 
--> > --> 
--> > --> --On onsdag, oktober 05, 2005 19:00:42 -0300 "Gray, Eric" 
--> > --> <[e-mail]> wrote:
--> > --> 
--> > --> > Harald,
--> > --> >
--> > --> > 	The trouble is - know it or not - this "language choice"
--> > --> > is the result of a lot of wrangling.  Your comment is a late
--> > --> > comer to the "party" as we have been round and round on this
--> > --> > as well as other issues relating to this document.  What you
--> > --> > see now is the current negotiated position, and it would be
--> > --> > very nice if we did not have yet another round of 
--> negotiations
--> > --> > because someone else is not exactly happy with what 
--> we have...
--> > --> 
--> > --> sure. When you say "....are allocated through the IETF 
--> > --> Consensus Process", 
--> > --> I'm just not sure if you are referring to this from 2434:
--> > --> 
--> > -->       IETF Consensus - New values are assigned 
--> through the IETF
--> > -->            consensus process. Specifically, new assignments 
--> > --> are made via
--> > -->            RFCs approved by the IESG. Typically, the 
--> IESG will seek
--> > -->            input on prospective assignments from 
--> appropriate persons
--> > -->            (e.g., a relevant Working Group if one exists).
--> > --> 
--> > --> It's been a troublesome choice in the past (at the 
--> moment, the IESG 
--> > --> position is, I believe, that at least a Last Call is needed 
--> > --> for such an 
--> > --> assignment, but not necessarily an approved internet-draft, 
--> > --> although that 
--> > --> is preferred).
--> > --> 
--> > --> I'm happy to have PWE3 suggest what it wants to suggest - 
--> > --> my worry is 
--> > --> chiefly that the IETF has a shared understanding of what 
--> > --> PWE3 is suggesting.
--> > --> 
--> > --> Wordsmithing is hard.
--> > --> 
--> > -->                             Harald
--> > --> 
--> > --> 
--> > --> 
--> > --> 
--> > --> 
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