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Re: MBone

Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> Tue, 10 September 2002 22:39 UTC

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To: Joe Abley <jabley@automagic.org>
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Subject: Re: MBone
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>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Abley <jabley@automagic.org> writes:
    Joe> My quite-possibly-ill-informed impression is that multicast deployment
    Joe> across the internet as a whole has prematurely switched from a
    Joe> "pre-production" architecture of tunnels across unicast infrastructure,
    Joe> to a "production" architecture in which tunnels are deprecated and
    Joe> native multicast is the order of the day.

  This is also my impression.

  There is no multicast available to intelligent end-users - IPv6 is better
deployed than multicast, and 6to4 and Teredo will make this even more so in
the future.

  If there is no way for end motivated intelligent users (who control their
own firewalls even) to experience the technology, and then play with it, then
there will be no experimentation. This means that interesting applications
won't just up, meaning there will be no drive demand to deploy multicast.

  The solution? Rebuild the mbone.
  
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