Re: More on bake-offs and trademarks

Jon Crowcroft <J.Crowcroft@CS.UCL.AC.UK> Tue, 07 November 2000 08:20 UTC

To: Henning Schulzrinne <schulzrinne@cs.columbia.edu>
cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: More on bake-offs and trademarks
In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Nov 2000 23:05:09 EST." <3A077F75.D9F8D55A@cs.columbia.edu>
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 08:14:39 +0000
Message-ID: <7751.973584879@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
From: Jon Crowcroft <J.Crowcroft@CS.UCL.AC.UK>

In message <3A077F75.D9F8D55A@cs.columbia.edu>, Henning Schulzrinne typed:

 >>"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they are not after you... "
 >>Apparently, Pillsbury is on a bigger crusade, as the editorial change at
 >>http://cacheoff.ircache.net/ is indeed due to lawyer pressure, based on
 >>reports from the owners of the site.
 >>

an earliesh ref is below.....

if (as i assume) they are referrng to 19th century pie competitions
between people at county fairs, i think they have a problem coz that
means its a word in common use and not a trademark

 cheers

   jon
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Hal,M
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Once upon a time Vint Cerf was keeper of the alligators and even Bob
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collected a few. I've got a backyard full of the critters myself.
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the point of my remark was that we don't need to invent bizarre test
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just how well it works in the current environment. What may be more
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for you would be to find out what the current environment really is
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rates, mangle angles, quench characteristiccs, etc., then build a
flakewayM
(broken network simulator) with similar characteristics and do war
with it.M
That's in fact how we did the initial IP testing (with credit to Bob
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in the bakeoffs of antiquity.M
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I'll rephrase my homily: We have met the enemy and he is us. Now you
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understand my preocupation with swamps. Pass the stogies, Albert.M
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DaveM

More on bake-offs and trademarks Henning Schulzrinne
Re: More on bake-offs and trademarks Jon Crowcroft