Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and IETF draft)
Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Thu, 28 November 2013 03:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and IETF draft)
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<no hat> On Nov 27, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Alex Russell <slightlyoff@google.com> wrote: > Will you also be citing ECMA-404 normatively to avoid this sort of divergence in the future? If you believe that ECMA-404 will change in the future, that would indicate that ECMA might break interoperability with current implementations, even for what they perceive as "good reasons". In general, the IETF tries not to have its long-lived standards normatively latch on to moving targets for this very reason. Even when other SDOs have assured us that they will not make backwards-incompatible changes, they have done so anyway (cue the Klensin-esqe theme music...), and that has caused serious interoperability problems for the IETF specs. --Paul Hoffman
- JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and IETF draft Anne van Kesteren
- Re: JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and IETF dr… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and IETF dr… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and IETF dr… Anne van Kesteren
- Re: JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and IETF dr… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Tony Hansen
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Carsten Bormann
- Re: JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and IETF dr… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Allen Wirfs-Brock
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Allen Wirfs-Brock
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Allen Wirfs-Brock
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Allen Wirfs-Brock
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Mark Davis ☕
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … John Cowan
- Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ecma-404 and … John Cowan
- Re: BOMs Martin J. Dürst
- Re: BOMs Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: BOMs Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] BOMs (Was: Re: JSON: remove gap betwee… Tim Bray
- Re: BOMs John Cowan
- Re: [Json] BOMs (Was: Re: JSON: remove gap betwee… John Cowan
- Re: BOMs Henry S. Thompson
- Re: BOMs Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [Json] BOMs (Was: Re: JSON: remove gap betwee… Julian Reschke
- BOMs (Was: Re: [Json] JSON: remove gap between Ec… Pete Cordell
- Re: BOMs Pete Cordell
- Re: [Json] BOMs (Was: Re: JSON: remove gap betwee… Pete Cordell
- Re: BOMs Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] BOMs (Was: Re: JSON: remove gap betwee… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] BOMs (Was: Re: JSON: remove gap betwee… Pete Cordell
- Re: [Json] BOMs Tatu Saloranta
- Re: BOMs Martin J. Dürst
- Re: BOMs t.p.
- Re: BOMs Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: BOMs Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] BOMs Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] BOMs Allen Wirfs-Brock
- Re: BOMs Chris Lilley
- Re: [Json] BOMs Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Json] BOMs Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [Json] BOMs Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [Json] BOMs Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] BOMs Tatu Saloranta
- Re: [Json] BOMs Henri Sivonen
- Re: [Json] BOMs Allen Wirfs-Brock
- Re: [Json] BOMs Allen Wirfs-Brock
- Re: [Json] BOMs Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] BOMs Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] BOMs John Cowan
- Re: [Json] BOMs Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] BOMs Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: remove gap bet… Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] BOMs Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Allen Wirfs-Brock
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Noah Mendelsohn
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Alex Russell
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Tim Berners-Lee
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Ashok Malhotra
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… John Cowan
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] Consensus on JSON-text (WAS: JSON: rem… Alex Russell