Re: [KEYPROV] Second Last Call: draft-ietf-keyprov-symmetrickeyformat (Symmetric Key Package Content Type) to Proposed Standard
SM <sm@resistor.net> Thu, 29 April 2010 07:19 UTC
Return-Path: <sm@resistor.net>
X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20B03A67F5 for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:19:36 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.515
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sLU7kJVqu94q for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ns1.qubic.net (ns1.qubic.net [208.69.177.116]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8709A3A6AB5 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from SUBMAN.resistor.net ([10.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.qubic.net (8.14.5.Alpha0/8.14.5.Alpha0) with ESMTP id o3T7J9Ef027397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1272525558; x=1272611958; bh=stbwn1BdBtbQadusPnx276DTwc78IwEin6ab+zfAoCc=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Cc; b=VrCLP/NJYGpPFCNf43Cx6CKjPbM6yOHcFlf7VCskCKQnflKOF3WODfESdyA5C2Ali 2DLWhJx/UEmuFc4e7bJAWQRTAon4/Rzt5RV12M1yccmxqRrsZYUFJRAPs8A174+RUR wddXBg8YZ/PXzFF2n+q3o2c3FR0wJ4CJGQ9THwrY=
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1272525558; x=1272611958; bh=stbwn1BdBtbQadusPnx276DTwc78IwEin6ab+zfAoCc=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Cc; b=gWaXwcoworZZYxR+WlJjV9vYvjnoJGVKprbppm7JCYR/yCCUfV9vAOu+63MXPCaQW 7z7ImWUb50I1Ao9p10p3/G8wIOPxAB70IKyVLHjslmFhn7maiCynt8OSug5BBbNcfl mlxi+ObDGXkopomdh1QMD9dBPJs7EHTshQCKR9Rs=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=resistor.net; c=simple; q=dns; b=Sssv+Is1CEmWJTHnIQx3ZVtBbfutbpPn1eFcPJ+oCsZN7vsgpsxpjr2pUlRnM1Nox 5Hi8Egv2Vs8J6pUuk5CtknhzrUNZJ2apNT50gHg6U3QynyomdWQ/xzIxsWYtej8KByH lBWPZRqs/gkHxdD8SOVTYMoy5tHNpOUKJ5bnx9E=
Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100428221538.09504a40@resistor.net>
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:10:54 -0700
To: ietf@ietf.org
From: SM <sm@resistor.net>
Subject: Re: [KEYPROV] Second Last Call: draft-ietf-keyprov-symmetrickeyformat (Symmetric Key Package Content Type) to Proposed Standard
In-Reply-To: <874oivs51u.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org>
References: <20100428183223.D7ED33A6B64@core3.amsl.com> <87mxwns62r.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <tsl633bibf0.fsf@mit.edu> <874oivs51u.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
Cc: Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:19:37 -0000
At 13:19 28-04-10, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>I did not notice the date.
As your concern seems to be about the disclosure and not the validity
of the patent, you could overlook the date.
>More worrisome, I cannot read the reference. The link goes to a page
FYI 36 mentions ISO/IEC 7812-1:1993.
I note that this second Last Call is because the writeup failed to
highlight a normative down reference to an Experimental RFC. One of
the questions asked before a Last Call was:
"Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? If so,
please include a reference to the disclosure and summarize the WG
discussion and conclusion on this issue."
The answer to that was:
"There are no concerns with this document. No IPR disclosures have
been field."
Given that a patent is explicitly referenced in
draft-ietf-keyprov-symmetrickeyformat, there should have been a note
about that. There shouldn't have been a reference to the patent in
the I-D. One of the authors mentioned that it is a bad reference and
it will be changed.
On a tangent, authors (I am not referring to any author associated
with this draft) should be aware that they are claiming that their
"Internet-Draft is submitted to IETF in full conformance with the
provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79". Saying that there is an open
source implementation or that other SDO didn't see any issue is not a
disclosure.
Regards,
-sm
- Re: [KEYPROV] Second Last Call: draft-ietf-keypro… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [KEYPROV] Second Last Call: draft-ietf-keypro… Sam Hartman
- Re: [KEYPROV] Second Last Call: draft-ietf-keypro… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [KEYPROV] Second Last Call: draft-ietf-keypro… Sean Turner
- Re: [KEYPROV] Second Last Call: draft-ietf-keypro… SM
- Re: [KEYPROV] Second Last Call: draft-ietf-keypro… Phillip Hallam-Baker