Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Fri, 24 June 2011 20:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?
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On Jun 24, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote:

> By "your document" above are you referring to Brian's http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-advisory ? If so I would argue that the extensive WG discussion about both documents meets your criteria. Taken together the 2 documents represent a series of compromises between those of us whose opinion is "Kill 6to4 dead, yesterday" and those who would like to give it as graceful an exit as possible. 

Taken together, the message is confusing. 

And for those of you whose opinion is "KIll 6to4 dead, yesterday" - that's way beyond the scope of what v6ops was chartered to do.

Keith