Requirement to go to meetings (was: Re: Anotherj RFP without IETF community input)
Dave CROCKER <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sun, 23 October 2011 08:37 UTC
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Subject: Requirement to go to meetings (was: Re: Anotherj RFP without IETF community input)
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On 10/21/2011 7:58 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > It's increasingly the case that if you > want to do work at the IETF, you need to go to meetings. I'd have > considerable reservations about asking for the kind of money you're > suggesting. Melinda, I've changed the subject line because the point you raise is orthogonal to the main thread, but since you raise it, it's worth exploring a bit (since I happen to agree with your observation.) The dynamics that make this true seem to have to do with changes in our community rather than in the nature of the technical work or the online tools. So the question is how to move the center of gravity back to mailing lists? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
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- Re: What? This thread is talking about *voting* n… Bob Hinden
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