Re: don't overthink, was Just so I'm clear

David Morris <dwm@xpasc.com> Wed, 24 October 2012 21:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: don't overthink, was Just so I'm clear
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012, John Levine wrote:

> >The legal issue raised by a previous reply that resonates with me is
> >that someone unsatisfied with a business decision by the adjusted
> >IAOC membership could sue based on documented process not being
> >followed to appoint the membership.
> 
> Are you aware of any case law that suggests that any U.S. court would
> be interested in interpreting or enforcing the nitpicky details of the
> IETF's governance, or that there is any reason to believe that there
> are third party beneficiaries to the IAOC's operating rules?

As I understand the situation, the IAOC is responsible for administrative
decisions such as contracting for venues, issuing RFPs, etc. That 
means that there are third parties who will be impacted by IAOC
decisions.

> 
> PS: Perhaps we can all stop playing Junior Lawyer now.

As soon as we have been assured that the plan and questions raised
have been reviewed and judged by the real IETF lawyers to not be
a concern