Re: EARLY submission deadline (Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art))

Doug Royer wrote:
> 
> 
> Dave Crocker wrote:
> 
>> ...
>> To elaborate:
>>
>> Is is ever valid for a working group to want to post a new draft late 
>> in the
>> game, very near -- or even during -- and IETF meeting?  The answer is
>> clearly yes, which is why working groups route around the IETF's 
>> arbitrary
>> deadline in the manner that Ned cites.
>>
>> So the early deadline rule does not even fix the problem it supposedly 
>> attacks.
> 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Often people do not read the drafts until right before an IETF
> meeting. Most issues are raised right before an IETF meeting. I think it
> would be great to be able to submit fixes that will make the meeting
> more productive. It does no good to discuss text that almost everyone
> already knows has problems.

As Eliot pointed out, discussing text that has changed since half the
people in the room read it doesn't work either. I really don't believe
that the submission deadline was created in order to prevent abuse
of process - it was created to ensure that everyone in the room is
actually discussing the same thing. Our meetings (unlike those of some
standards groups) aren't drafting sessions - the idea is to clarify
substantive issues, but wordsmithing and actual consensus happens on
the list in our process.

A good time to discuss this issue will be when we have an automatic
I-D submission tool according to draft-ietf-tools-draft-submission.
Until then, we need the deadline in any case, to release staff resources
to prepare for the meeting.

    Brian

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