Re: IETF 72 --> Dublin!

Bill Manning <bmanning@ISI.EDU> Fri, 08 February 2008 04:54 UTC

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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:55:08 -0800
From: Bill Manning <bmanning@ISI.EDU>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: IETF 72 --> Dublin!
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On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 02:27:13PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 01:29:40PM -0500, Edward Lewis wrote:
> > 
> > I really have a hard time being sympathetic to this complaint.  If 
> > the purpose of the IETF is open discussion and cross-pollination, 
> > what does it matter where we are so long as there's comfortable 
> > access to the expertise needed?  Is there an unwritten requirement 
> > that IETFs are placed to afford us sightseeing?  To afford us access 
> > to restaurants?
> 
> Well, many IETF'ers get tired of eating at the same hotel restaurant,
> day after day, for the whole week.  Also a common problem is that many
> hotel restaurants are not well equipped to deal with a very large
> number of people all showing up at the resturant at the same time (+/-
> 10 minutes), thus flooding the kitchen with orders and resulting in
> glacial service times.  I remember one of the first times we were at
> Minneapolis, and I made a mistake of eating at the hotel restaurant
> for lunch, and the food not showing up at the table until something
> like 5 or 10 minutes before the next working group meeting was
> supposed to start.  Needless to say, that was the last time I
> frequented that hotel restaurant the whole week!  Fortunately in
> Minneapolis there were other restaurant options that were a close walk
> away from the hotel.


	convience is one thing, medical/religious options are much more
	constrained in a "remote" location.  for those who have food
	allegies, or other dietary restrictions, this could be problematic.

-bill


> 						- Ted
> 
> [1] http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2007/10/08/sous-vide-revisited/
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--bill

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