Re: Call for action vs. lost opportunity (Was: Re: Renumbering)
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Subject: Re: Call for action vs. lost opportunity (Was: Re: Renumbering)
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On 2007-10-12 16:27, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: >> On 2007-10-11 23:46, Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino wrote: >>>> Not viewed from the socket programmer's point of view. >>>> Look at how an AF_INET6 socket behaves when given >>>> an address like ::FFFF:192.0.2.3 >>>> afaik the behavior is then exactly what you describe. >>>> Whether the stacks are independent code modules or >>>> alternate paths through the same code is irrelevant >>>> to the externally observed behavior. >>> see draft-ietf-v6ops-security-overview-06.txt section 2.2. >> Sure. I absolutely don't like to see ::FFFF/96 on the wire. > > then we'd have to deprecate SIIT at least. still, you cannot be sure > that ::ffff:0:0/96 are not on the wire. I agree, it just isn't obvious that such packets will be delivered... Brian _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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