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Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Fri, 19 April 2013 11:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?
From: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
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No name in the AD list appear so far, but if your the discuss-list is
right then it may be good progress, hoping for more names for
diversity. Your input not helping discussion,

AB

On 4/19/13, l.wood@surrey.ac.uk <l.wood@surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Female ADs include Allison Mankin, whose bio recently appeared on this list
> in relation to her new appointment.
>
> There's now a diversity discussion list, where this discussion should move
> to.
>
> http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/04/diversity/
>
> Does what you think matter, when you clearly don't know anything?
>
> Lloyd Wood
> http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Abdussalam
> Baryun [abdussalambaryun@gmail.com]
> Sent: 19 April 2013 10:37
> To: ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
> Cc: ietf
> Subject: Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?
>
> Andrew
>
>>Because some people report that they experience a chilly environment,
> and we respect those people for their other contributions and would
> like more people like them to contribute in similar ways, and
> therefore we want to make the environment less chilly.  I'm sort of
> surprised that that problem, which has been stated in my view quite
> plainly more than once in this thread, isn't evident to anyone
> participating.
>
> The environment may not be chilly, but may be unaware of experience
> (did we experience a woman as AD?). The IETF culture can be defined
> IMO as a argumental experience (firstly) plus technical (secondly),
> mostly men argue for long (may get unsensitive) but women may not
> fancy that. The participants' bias is not in technical experience it
> is in argumental, which is not true that all discussions on the IETF
> lists are technical, most of the time just men arguing and when they
> get lost in technical they get backed up with the consensus procedural
> argument.
>
>  I don't think women were given a chance to proof their ability to
> lead the IETF, so men can be aware of new experience.
>
> AB

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