RE: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network

"George, Wes" <wesley.george@twcable.com> Fri, 30 March 2012 05:33 UTC

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From: "George, Wes" <wesley.george@twcable.com>
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 01:33:51 -0400
Subject: RE: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network
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I had recommended separately on the attendees list that perhaps Chelliot and his merry band of "supernerds" need to write an informational or BCP draft, accompanied by a round of *NOG presentations to share the wealth, as documentation in this area appears a bit sparse -- I've been to plenty of other conferences where the wireless network melted down in the hotel, conference itself or both. In response, Joel Jaeggli pointed to a NANOG presentation that is so old that it's still talking about 802.11G (and A) as a future thing, and the network in question was probably dealing with half or less of the devices that a modern one must do (no wi-fi phones, tablets, etc). So while the fundamentals of dealing with RF frequency overlap and power probably haven't changed much, I think that perhaps we're due for an update on the experience of managing and optimizing large-scale conference/hotel WiFi networks, especially the part about the tools that you use that enable you to re-engineer a network of that size on the fly (aside from "pure awesome" and "lack of sleep", that is). :-)

Thanks,

Wes


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Raszuk [mailto:robert@raszuk.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:44 PM
> To: George, Wes
> Cc: IETF Discussion
> Subject: Fwd: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network
>
> Hi Wes,
>
> Could we perhaps add a section to your draft
> (draft-george-travel-faq-05.txt) on how to fix wifi network in the hotel
> you are staying ?
>
> Pointer to set of open source wifi troubleshooting tools would be
> welcome too ;)
>
> Cheers,
> R.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: IETF attendees reengineer their hotel's Wi-Fi network
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:28:26 -0400
> From: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>
> To: IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
>
> Disgusted IETF attendees reengineer their Paris hotel's Wi-Fi network
> What happens when a bunch of IETF super nerds show up in Paris for a
> major conference and discover their hotel's Wi-Fi network has imploded?
>
> http://newsletters.networkworld.com/t/6464858/258923304/355639/0/
>
>


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