Re: Call for comment: <draft-iab-doi-04.txt> (Assigning Digital Object Identifiers to RFCs)
"Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com> Sat, 04 July 2015 18:09 UTC
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Subject: Re: Call for comment: <draft-iab-doi-04.txt> (Assigning Digital Object Identifiers to RFCs)
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This discussion has been very informative! Just as an example, Journal of Optical Communications and Networking uses the volume number and page number. Here are two JOCN DOIs I used recently in RFC informative references: 10.1364/JOCN.4.000001 (actually Vol. 4, Issue 1, pp. 1-14 (2012)) 10.1364/JOCN.7.00A447 (actually Vol. 7, Issue 3, pp. A447-A458 (2015)) For RFCs, I actually don't mind: 10.17487/rfc1149 Since DOIs are opaque, that doesn't preclude future use of a numeric prefix as well for something completely different. The draft should be clear about whether or not leading zeros are used for low-numbered documents. Cheers, Andy On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 8:29 PM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote: > >Can you explain where such a suggestion is made? As to the form that > >comes AFTER the prefix, THAT is worthy of discussion, but that indeed > >may be too late. > > As I note in the draft, the part after the prefix is opaque. The DOIs > that the ACM assigns are two numbers that have no connection to > anything else I can figure out. The IEEE uses some combination of a > short abbreviation of the journal name, the year, and a sequence > number that does not tell you what issue the article is in. > > In retrospect, rather than making them look like RFC numbers I should > have used a pseudo-random 10 digit hash of the date, authors, and > document title so people would stop complaining about RFC123 vs. > RFC0123. > > R's, > John > >
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