Re: Clarifying the state of and the transition plan for tools.ietf.org
Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Thu, 11 March 2021 02:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: Clarifying the state of and the transition plan for tools.ietf.org
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On 3/10/21 2:17 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> Reading your note I find myself wondering: Is IETF deliberately trying >> to discourage its participants from building tools to help them do IETF >> work? > > What precisely in Robert's mail makes you ask that? Never ask an intuitive to explain precisely what makes them ask a question ... Of course it's not only that email that makes me ask, but other signs I've seen for awhile. It's a simple question, which I hope has a simple answer. Keith
- Clarifying the state of and the transition plan f… Robert Sparks
- Re: Clarifying the state of and the transition pl… Keith Moore
- Re: Clarifying the state of and the transition pl… Julian Reschke
- Re: Clarifying the state of and the transition pl… Keith Moore
- Re: Clarifying the state of and the transition pl… John Levine
- Re: Clarifying the state of and the transition pl… Florian Weimer