Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-appsawg-nullmx-06
Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> Thu, 04 September 2014 16:46 UTC
Return-Path: <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240ED1A0401 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:46:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.9
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eDk56q8B6hpH for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:46:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mournblade.imrryr.org (mournblade.imrryr.org [38.117.134.19]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9F791A03E8 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:46:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mournblade.imrryr.org (Postfix, from userid 1034) id 6688C2AB2C4; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:46:39 +0000 (UTC)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 16:46:39 +0000
From: Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org>
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-appsawg-nullmx-06
Message-ID: <20140904164639.GB14392@mournblade.imrryr.org>
References: <3hpmKd3LBYzbcfr@spike.porcupine.org> <alpine.BSF.2.11.1409041232500.23605@joyce.lan>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1409041232500.23605@joyce.lan>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/LrNzngQ74gGXDJsiQGtl_aivyX4
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 16:46:43 -0000
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 12:37:50PM -0400, John R Levine wrote: > If you get 521 as a server greeting it means "I'm not a mail server." If > you get 521 as a response to RCPT TO it means "That's not a mail domain." This overloading is unfortunate. It creates an implementation challenge on the server side, because at least with Postfix, 421/521 responses can originate in milters, policy services, and access tables. In such cases the server interprets this as a "please drop this client now" signal. Since nullmx recipient policy might well be implemented in miters and the like, Postfix has no way to distinguish between this new proposed code (which seems to not be a "drop" signal) and all previous uses which are. Postfix also supports "soft_bounce", which downgrades all 5XX replies to the corresponding 4XX replies. However 421 after RCPT TO does not carry a "That's not a mail domain, but try again later" meaning. The choice of 521 here seems rather unfortunate, and based on an error the experimental RFC 1846. Please consider 550 or similar. -- Viktor.
- Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-appsawg-… Black, David
- Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-apps… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir review of draft-ietf-apps… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… John R Levine
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… John C Klensin
- SMTP 521 code Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: SMTP 521 code John C Klensin
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… John R Levine
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… ned+ietf
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… John Levine
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… Wietse Venema
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… Wietse Venema
- Re: [taugh.com-standards] Re: Gen-ART and OPS-Dir… ned+ietf