Re: Something better than DNS?
Peter Dambier <peter@peter-dambier.de> Thu, 23 November 2006 18:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: Something better than DNS?
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DNS is broken since people started disallowing AXFR transfers. DNS is no longer about publishing information about hostnames and numbers but about keeping this information a seecret. So not using DNS at all and distributing host files is much better than DNS and more reliable :) On the other hand, in good old /etc/hosts days you could always reverse query and get all aliases to every ip address. E.g. NIS still works like that. And NIS has mostly the same bells and whistles DNS has, like MX records and unimaginable additional record types. In addition DNS is designed with a single one root scope. So if you have to deal with chinese, arab and russian namespaces then DNS probably is not the right choice :) If ISPs were not starting to block port 53 DNS the I would guess somebody will come up with a totally new idea and implement this using the port 53 DNS interface but even bonjour/rendezvous work with a port different from 53. Kind regards Peter and Karin Pekka Savola wrote: > On Tue, 21 Nov 2006, Keith Moore wrote: > >> p.s. rather than adding more and more burdens to DNS, what we really >> need to be doing is figuring out how to replace it with something more >> robust and more flexible. (Yes, you'd have to arrange that DNS >> queries and queries to the new database would return consistent >> results; you'd also have to make sure that DNSSEC didn't break, but >> those are both doable.) >> >> DNS is getting very long in the tooth, and is entirely too inflexible >> and too fragile. The very fact that we're having a discussion about >> whether it makes more sense to add a new RR type or use TXT records >> with DKIM is a clear indicator that something seriously is wrong with >> DNS. Adding a new RR type should not require a single line of DNS >> server or client library code to be recompiled, nor any changes to the >> configuration of any server not advertising such records. > > > Keith, > > I've seen you say this for many years now, but I'll bite now. > Do you have ideas what a more flexible, less fragile, and in general a > better mechanism would: > > 1) be or look like, or > > 2) what requirements we should have for building and deploying it? > (if such a thing or a close likeness doesn't exist) > > I wonder if there are practical alternatives. A bit more dialogue on > "what else" instead of "DNS is a bad idea" might help in figuring out > whether there is anything the IETF could do about it. > -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Von-Erthal-Strasse 4 D-64646 Heppenheim +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de mail: peter@cesidianroot.com http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ http://www.cesidianroot.com/ _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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