Re: email standards
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Tue, 23 September 2014 20:27 UTC
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On 9/23/2014 1:08 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > I meant two secure email standards. Empirically we have two right now, > S/MIME and PGP. > > Since I was talking about security, I thought it was obvious from the context. It wasn't. And to be thorough, you also forgot PEM... Anyhow, sometimes we need to let competitive efforts develop and then let the market choose among them. Artificially stifling serious constituenies from pursuing credible alternatives is often poor engineering and worse politics. In this case, there really was significant effort to get some amount of collaboration between the two groups -- the related MIME multipart constructs were designed to allow some co-habitation -- but it didn't get any traction. (One of the groups was particularly political in how it managed its activities, but neither group was all that flexible.) FWIW, it's unlikely that the competition in this case has had anything to do with the poor uptake of either mechanism. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- facilitators at ietf@ietf.org IETF Chair
- Re: facilitators at ietf@ietf.org Phillip Hallam-Baker
- email standards (was: Re: facilitators at ietf@ie… John C Klensin
- Re: email standards (was: Re: facilitators at iet… Randall Gellens
- Re: email standards (was: Re: facilitators at iet… Michael Richardson
- Re: email standards (was: Re: facilitators at iet… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email standards Dave Crocker
- Re: email standards (was: Re: facilitators at iet… John C Klensin
- Re: email standards John C Klensin
- Re: email standards (was: Re: facilitators at iet… Scott Kitterman
- Re: email standards (was: Re: facilitators at iet… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: email standards (was: Re: facilitators at iet… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email standards Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email standards George Michaelson
- Re: email standards Dave Crocker
- Re: facilitators at ietf@ietf.org IETF Chair
- Re: email standards Jari Arkko
- Re: email standards Nico Williams