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Re: Identify AI bots in emails at IETF?

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Mon, 14 October 2019 10:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: Identify AI bots in emails at IETF?
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:02:37 +0200
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To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
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It’s a fun question, and there is (at least to me) an obvious answer.  In the good old days we used to have key signing parties at the IETF, and it would be possible for people to attest that I am indeed me and you are indeed you.  That way, at least you could see by people’s signatures whether or not there was someone who signed their key who you knew.

The problem is that the UX would have to keep up with that.  I’m not sure it’s quite up to the task.

Eliot

> On 14 Oct 2019, at 10:39, Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi IETFers,
> 
> How to identify whether or not the emails from somebody are from an 'AI bot'?
> 
> Recently I have had public and private email exchanges, related to the DHC WG.            One party involved in the discussion, that I know personally, suggested that the 3rd party might be an AI bot, because his/her emails seem so generated by an automaton - be it language translation or other AI generator.
> 
> I must excuse if the person is real, but also I feel sorry I spent too much time explaining things in private to what might be an AI bot and am nervous against whoever programmed it.
> 
> Alex
>

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