Re: NomCom 2017: Call for nominations (IAOC mid-term replacement)

["Leslie Daigle" <[e-mail]>]

What Ted said, plus:   the wording of your note, and the lack of 
announcement from the IAOC to say they are looking to fill that 
position, leaves me with a question.

Did the IAOC ask/does the IAOC believe the position needs to be filled?

That’s not a Nomcom decision — from RFC 7437:

“ The nominating committee does not select the open positions to be
reviewed; it is instructed as to which positions to review.”

Leslie.

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Leslie Daigle
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On 21 Sep 2018, at 12:29, Ted Hardie wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> A few observations in-line, as an individual.
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 11:57 PM, NomCom Chair 2017 <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Greetings from the 2017-2018 NomCom!
>>
>> No, you have not entered another one of our time loops.  The 
>> 2017-2018
>> NomCom continues to exist for special needs until the end of the 
>> Bangkok
>> IETF meeting.  And we find ourselves in one of those special needs
>> situations at the moment.  As you are probably aware, Andrew Sullivan 
>> has
>> stepped down from his NomCom-selected position on the IAOC.
>
>
> Just to note that Andrew's new position as ISOC CEO makes him an *ex
> officio *member, so he remains on the IAOC. Kathy Brown, the previous 
> CEO,
> is the member who has actually dropped.  It is the shift in role which
> means it is the NomCom's job to consider how to fill the position.
>
>
>> RFC 7437 indicates that mid-term vacancies are the responsibility of 
>> the
>> previous NomCom (i.e., not the 2018-2019 NomCom), so that’s why you 
>> are
>> hearing from me.
>>
>> Now you will be aware that the IETF LLC Board will supplant the IAOC
>> sooner or later.  Hopefully sooner.  The IETF Trust draws its 
>> trustees from
>> the IAOC, but going forward that will obviously change since there 
>> will no
>> longer be an IAOC.  Until then, the replacement of IETF Trust 
>> trustees is
>> done through the replacement of IAOC members.  Thus, the 2017-2018 
>> NomCom
>> needs nominees who are willing to serve on the IAOC (and IETF Trust) 
>> for
>> what will likely be an abbreviated period.
>
>
> And to be clear on just how abbreviated, the LLC board is already 
> meeting
> and the document which shifts the Trustee selection algorithm is in 
> IETF
> Last Call.  There is a race condition here that could result in this
> selection never actually serving.
>
>
>
>> To be very clear, this call for nominees is distinct from the 
>> on-going
>> efforts of the 2018-2019 NomCom.  That NomCom is already hard at work 
>> to
>> fill IESG, IAB, and LLC Board positions.
>>
>> This is a call for nominations to the IAOC.  We need one person to 
>> fill
>> out the remainder of Andrew’s appointment to the IAOC and the 
>> corresponding
>> service to the IETF Trust.  The role will exist until both the IAOC 
>> is
>> ended and the IETF Trust is placed under the IETF LLC with the new 
>> rules
>> that are being drafted for the selection of trustees.
>>
>
> The Trust is not going under the LLC.  The Trust will have a new 
> selection
> method for its members, rather than re-using the IAOC as a pool, but 
> it is
> and will remain a distinct legal entity.  I'll also point out that 
> Andrew
> remains a Trustee, since he remains on the IAOC because of his new 
> role.
> It is Kathy Brown who is no longer a Trustee.
>
>
>
>> While it may seem like a fair amount of effort to seat a replacement 
>> for
>> Andrew on the IAOC, I believe this is the prudent move to make.  I do 
>> not
>> wish to set a precedent that the IETF NomCom selectively submits to 
>> its
>> responsibilities under RFC 7437 by choosing whether to make a 
>> selection.
>> And if the new handling of trustee selection takes longer to put into 
>> place
>> than projected, it would be a good if not critical thing to have a 
>> full set
>> IETF Trust trustees available.  I’ve conferred with the members of 
>> the
>> NomCom and we are prepared to make the effort to select a new IAOC
>> candidate.  We are aware that this is a heavyweight process for
>>  what is a fairly lightweight need, so we appreciate the 
>> community’s
>> support in completing our work.  I do realize that there are those in 
>> the
>> community who advocate dispensing with the rules and not making the
>> appointment, but I prefer to take a conservative approach and follow 
>> the
>> ratified directions of the community in this matter by adhering to 
>> RFC
>> 7437.  As always, the IETF mailing list is available to debate the 
>> matter,
>> perhaps with an eye towards a future revision of RFC 7437.
>>
>>
> That very RFC 7437 complicates the matter by giving a 6-week time 
> frame in
>> which the replacement must be made.  (A discussion of amending RFC 
>> 7437 in
>> that regard would be interesting after we are done here, but is 
>> outside of
>> the NomCom’s jurisdiction.)  The timer started when we were 
>> notified of
>> Andrew’s resignation – that notification came on September 11, 
>> 2018 and it
>> has taken us a while to determine and prepare for our next steps.  
>> Those
>> next steps are to find a replacement for Andrew as expeditiously as 
>> we
>> can.  We have a deadline of October 23rd for completion of the 
>> selection
>> and confirmation process.
>>
>> I appreciate the NomCom's fidelity to its duty and I thoroughly 
>> understand
> why they do not wish to selectively assume their responsibilities.  
> But
> I'll point an option here that can be taken by the community to avoid 
> the
> bureaucratic hassle of actually adding someone to the IAOC for a term 
> that
> may be minutes long:
>
> No one volunteers.
>
> If there are no volunteers, the section 5.1 of RFC 7437 quite clearly
> applies:
>
> 5.1 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7437#section-5.1>.  Discretion
>
>    All rules and special circumstances not otherwise specified are at
>    the discretion of the committee.
>
>    Exceptional circumstances will occasionally arise during the normal
>    operation of the nominating committee.  This rule is intended to
>    foster the continued forward progress of the committee.
>
>    Any member of the committee may propose a rule for adoption by the
>    committee.  The rule must be approved by the committee according to
>    its established voting mechanism.
>
>    All members of the committee should consider whether the exception 
> is
>    worthy of mention in the next revision of this document and 
> follow-up
>    accordingly.
>
> I believe that if no one volunteers, the NomCom gains the discretion 
> to do
> nothing, which is the sensible thing to do when faced with a 
> bureaucratic
> necessity of no practical impact and of our own making.
>
> So, my personal advice to those considering volunteering:  you serve 
> the
> community better by giving the NomCom the discretion to do nothing at 
> all.
>
> Ted
>
>
>
>
>> To that end, the 2017-2018 Nominating Committee is seeking 
>> nominations
>> from now until September 26, 2018.  We are aware that is not a lot of 
>> time
>> for interested parties, but the overall timeline is highly 
>> compressed.
>> Details for the timeline can be found on the NomCom’s home page:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/
>>
>> Nominations may be made by selecting the Nominate link at the top of 
>> the
>> NomCom 2017 home page, or by visiting the following URL:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/nominate/
>>
>>   {Note that nominations made using the web tool require an ietf.org
>>    datatracker account. You can create a datatracker ietf.org account
>>    if you don't have one already by visiting the following URL:
>>    https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/create/ }
>>
>> If you are unable to use the web form, nominations may instead be 
>> made by
>> email to nomcom-17 at ietf dot org. If using email, please include 
>> the word
>> "Nominate" in the Subject and indicate in the email who is being 
>> nominated
>> and their email address (to confirm acceptance of the nomination).
>> If you are nominating someone other than yourself, please tell us if 
>> we
>> may tell the nominee that you were the one who made the nomination.
>>
>> Self-nomination is welcome!
>>
>> Desired expertise for this position is the same as for any other IAOC
>> member selection.  The write-up for the desired expertise can be 
>> found at:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/expertise/#iaoc-short-term-member
>>
>> Willing nominees are asked to fill out a questionnaire.  The 
>> questionnaire
>> is available now and is due back to the NomCom by October 3rd.  We 
>> realize
>> that NomCom questionnaires are fairly lengthy.  Nominees are simply 
>> asked
>> to fill it out as best as can be done.  Since we may not have enough 
>> time
>> to interview nominees (there being little time as it is and 
>> interviews
>> possibly being difficult to coordinate), we will be relying heavily 
>> on
>> community feedback and what can be gleaned from the questionnaires.
>> Feedback may immediately be submitted for all nominees who accept 
>> their
>> nomination.  While NomComs generally prefer to open feedback at a 
>> specified
>> point in time after nominations are closed, our tight schedule does 
>> not
>> permit this luxury, and therefore we are taking immediate feedback.  
>> The
>> deadline for feedback is also October 3rd.
>>
>> NomCom 2017-2018 follows the policy for "Open Disclosure of Willing
>> Nominees" described in BCP 10/RFC 7437.  As stated in RFC 7437: "The 
>> list
>> of nominees willing to be considered for positions under review in 
>> the
>> current NomCom cycle is not confidential". Willing nominees for this
>> position will be listed in a publicly accessible way, e.g., anyone 
>> with a
>> datatracker account may access the lists.  Additionally, the 
>> nomination
>> form asks if we may share your own name with the nominee. In all 
>> other
>> ways, the confidentiality requirements of BCP 10 remain in effect.  
>> All
>> feedback and all NomCom deliberations will remain confidential and 
>> will not
>> be disclosed.
>>
>> There is a field on the form you can mark in order to allow the 
>> NomCom to
>> tell the nominee that you were the one who made the nomination. This
>> defaults to “no” - so if you don't mark the field we won’t 
>> tell.
>>
>> In order to ensure time to collect sufficient community feedback 
>> about
>> each of the willing nominees, nominations must be received by the 
>> NomCom on
>> or before September 26, 2018.
>>
>> Please submit your nominations as early as possible for the sake of 
>> your
>> nominees. Note that nominations should not wait for management 
>> permission,
>> as it is easier to decline the nomination than put one in late.
>>
>> You are welcome to contact the entire NomCom at nomcom-17 at ietf dot 
>> org
>> with your input and questions.  If you are having troubles with the 
>> NomCom
>> website such as nominating someone, filling out a questionnaire, or
>> providing nominee feedback, please let me know directly at the 
>> addresses
>> given below.
>>
>> Thank you for your help in identifying qualified nominees!
>>
>> Peter Yee
>> NomCom Chair 2017-18
>> nomcom-chair-2017 at ietf dot org
>> peter at akayla dot com
>>
>>