Re: Last Call: <draft-nandakumar-rtcweb-stun-uri-05.txt> (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard

Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Wed, 14 August 2013 18:51 UTC

Return-Path: <harald@alvestrand.no>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ACA21F9C16 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:51:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -110.455
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.144, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I4mckhiyaoWF for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CA021F9D1C for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FA139E1C8 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:51:47 +0200 (CEST)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no
Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e-Mad0lHhOWz for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:51:46 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from hta-dell.lul.corp.google.com (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:1043:1:be30:5bff:fede:bcdc]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6583A39E1BB for <ietf@ietf.org>; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:51:46 +0200 (CEST)
Message-ID: <520BD1C1.2090002@alvestrand.no>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 20:51:45 +0200
From: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130804 Thunderbird/17.0.8
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-nandakumar-rtcweb-stun-uri-05.txt> (URI Scheme for Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Protocol) to Proposed Standard
References: <52095E5D.5070802@ninebynine.org> <6.2.5.6.2.20130813113033.0b7632c0@resistor.net>
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130813113033.0b7632c0@resistor.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:51:59 -0000

On 08/13/2013 09:03 PM, S Moonesamy wrote:
> At 15:14 12-08-2013, Graham Klyne wrote:
>> But, in a personal capacity, not as designated reviewer, I have to 
>> ask *why* this needs to be a URI.  As far as I can tell, it is 
>> intended for use only in very constrained environments, where there 
>> seems to be little value in having an identifier that can appear in 
>> all the contexts where a URI may be recognized.
>
> This is an individual comment.  I reviewed 
> draft-petithuguenin-behave-turn-uris-05.  I wondered why a URI was 
> needed given the limited use.  The same argument is applicable for 
> draft-nandakumar-rtcweb-stun-uri-05.  There is running code for both 
> drafts.  Both draft qualify for "DNP".  I would describe the proposals 
> as trying to fit the solution within a URI instead of designing a URI 
> scheme.  Both proposals sound like UNSAF.

FWIW, UNSAF = Unilateral Self Address Fixing, or "figuring out what my 
address is on the Internet", and is exactly what STUN is useful for.

In a world of NATs, UNSAF is, unfortunately, a necessary thing to do. 
These URI schemes allow us to pass configuration data for performing 
these operations in a standardized form.