Re: DRAFT Minutes of the 06-17-2021 IESG Teleconference

[Francesca Palombini <[e-mail]>]

That is correct, we agreed that BoF is the way forward, and it was approved as BoF in 6.4. It was my understanding that discussion on the scope for ohttp will continue up to the BoF (hoping the BoF will resolve any outstanding comments), so the charter will stay in IESG evaluation process-wise and won't move forward to external evaluation.
I expect the discussion leading up to the BoF to also happen (on ohttp), so that the BoF can be well prepared and productive, so I also plan to keep working on your and other ADs comments with the proponents to get as close as we can to an acceptable charter before the BoF itself. Note that this is not the same as external review, but it is more of the community discussion leading to internal review that I've seen people say they missed.

Was that not your understanding Éric? Also - am I responsible for announcing that the chartering is frozen up to the BoF, and encourage more discussion leading to the BoF in the mailing list?

Francesca

On 18/06/2021, 08:32, "iesg on behalf of Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <[e-mail] on behalf of evyncke=[e-mail]> wrote:

    May be is it too early in the morning for me, but, I have in mind that for OHTTP the BoF was the way to go ?

    -éric

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        INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
        Minutes of the June 17, 2021 IESG Teleconference

        Reported by: Jenny Bui, IETF Secretariat

        ATTENDEES
        ---------------------------------
        Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
        Ben Campbell (Independent Consultant) / IAB Liaison
        Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
        Martin Duke (F5 Networks Inc) / Transport Area
        Lars Eggert (NetApp) / IETF Chair, General Area
        Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
        Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
        Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
        Erik Kline (Google) / Internet Area
        Murray Kucherawy (Facebook) / Applications and Real-Time Area
        Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
        Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
        Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Applications and Real-Time Area
        Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
        Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Ericsson) / Transport Area
        John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
        Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
        Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
        Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
        Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area

        REGRETS
        ---------------------------------
        Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
        Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
        Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair

        OBSERVERS
        ---------------------------------
        Tim Costello
        Amy Creamer
        Bob Hinden
        Julian Reschke
        Lee-Berkeley Shaw
        Greg Wood

        1. Administrivia
        1.1 Approval of the Minutes

        The minutes of the June 03, 2021 Teleconference were approved.
        The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

        The narrative minutes of the June 03, 2021 Teleconference were
        approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 

        The minutes of the IETF 111 BoF Coordination teleconference were approved. 
        The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

        1.2 Documents Approved since the June 03, 2021 IESG Teleconference
        1.2.1 Protocol Actions

        1.2.2 Document Actions
        o draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls-12  (Proposed Standard)
        o draft-ietf-payload-vp9-16  (Proposed Standard)

        1.3 Review of Action Items
         NONE

        DONE:
        o Zahed Sarker and Michelle Cotton to draft text for prospective 
          Designated Experts on the basics of the IANA request process and 
          "how to be a designated expert."
        o Robert Wilton to follow up with the IESG on small group project 
          assignments regarding topics identified through the poll taken at the 
          IESG retreat. 
        o Erik Kline to find designated experts for RFC 9031 [IANA #1198928]. 

        IN PROGRESS: 
        o Alvaro Retana, Benjamin Kaduk, and Murray Kucherawy to look at 
          updating the I-D Checklist.
        o Warren Kumari, Deborah Brungard, Stephen Farrell, and Jay Daley to 
          investigate ways to recruit, recognize, and retain volunteers in the 
          IETF.
        o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft a note to wgchairs asking
          them to always confirm author/contributor status.
        o Alvaro Retana and Martin Vigoureux to draft text to include in the I-D 
          submission tool warning about too many authors.
        o John Scudder and Martin Duke to review the document shepherd templates
          and propose changes to include updated questions and cross-area 
          checks.
        o Robert Wilton to draft text to expand the document shepherd write-up 
          section on use of YANG Models. 
        o Eric Vyncke and Francesca Palombini to draft text for guidelines/best 
          practices
          for directorate reviewers.
        o Murray Kucherawy to update BCP 97 to provide guidance about handling 
          normative references to non-SDO documents.
        o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9036 [IANA 
          #1199105].
        o Robert Wilton, Alvaro Retana, and Warren Kumari to report back to the 
          IESG on the impact of COVID-19 to the IETF in June 2021.
        o Lars Eggert to update BCP 45.

        UPDATED: 
        o The IESG to report on the RFC 8989 experiment after the 2021 NomCom is 
          seated (likely July 2021).

        NEW:
         NONE

        2. Protocol actions
        2.1 WG submissions
        2.1.1 New items

          o draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-26  - IETF stream
            BGP Optimal Route Reflection (BGP-ORR) (Proposed Standard)
            Token: Alvaro Retana

        The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
        completed by Alvaro Retana. The Secretariat will send a working group 
        submission Protocol Action Announcement.

          o draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging-16  - IETF stream
            HTTP/1.1 (Proposed Standard)
            Token: Francesca Palombini

        The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
        points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

          o draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-16  - IETF stream
            HTTP Semantics (Proposed Standard)
            Token: Francesca Palombini

        The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
        points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

          o draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-16  - IETF stream
            HTTP Caching (Proposed Standard)
            Token: Francesca Palombini

        The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
        Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
        Announcement once Francesca Palombini confirms that the announcement
        is ready to be sent.

          o draft-ietf-payload-rtp-jpegxs-16  - IETF stream
            RTP Payload Format for ISO/IEC 21122 (JPEG XS) (Proposed Standard)
            Token: Murray Kucherawy

        The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
        points raised by Zahed Sarker.*

        2.1.2 Returning items
          NONE

        2.2 Individual submissions
        2.2.1 New items
          NONE

        2.2.2 Returning items
          NONE

        2.3 Status changes
        2.3.1 New items
          NONE

        2.3.2 Returning items
          NONE

        3. Document actions
        3.1 WG submissions
        3.1.1 New items
          NONE

        3.1.2 Returning items
          NONE

        3.2 Individual submissions via AD
        3.2.1 New items
          NONE

        3.2.2 Returning items
          NONE

        3.3 Status changes
        3.3.1 New items
          NONE

        3.3.2 Returning items
          NONE

        3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
        3.4.1 New items
          NONE

        3.4.2 Returning items
          NONE

        4. Working Group actions
        4.1 WG creation
        4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

          o Oblivious HTTP (ohttp)
            Area: SEC (Francesca Palombini)

        The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
        points raised by Zaheduzzaman Sarker, Eric Vyncke, and Robert Wilton.*

        4.1.2 Proposed for approval
          NONE

        4.2 WG rechartering
        4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
          NONE

        4.2.2 Proposed for approval
          NONE

        5. IAB news we can use

        6. Management issues

        6.1 [IANA #1197180] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-
            optimized-ir (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
        allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir.

        6.2 [IANA #1197184] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-
            ipvpn-interworking (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
        allocations for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ipvpn-interworking.

        6.3 [IANA #1198995] Acceptance of media type registration from standards 
            organization ISO/TC 184/SC 4 - Industrial Data (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process this 
        media-type request, and to add ISO/TC 184/SC 4 - Industrial Data to the 
        'Standards-related organizations that have registered Media Types in the 
        Standards Tree.' 

        6.4 IETF 111 BoFs decisions (Secretariat)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the following BOF 
        requests for IETF 111:

         o Application-aware Networking (APN)
         o DANE for IoT Service Hardening (DANISH)
         o MAC Address Device Identification for Network and Application 
           Services (MADINAS)
         o Oblivious HTTP (OHTTP)

        The IESG will follow up with the proponents for the SCIM Industry Next 
        Steps (SINS) BOF proposal to ask for more information before making a 
        decision about whether to approve it.

        6.5 [IANA #1198928] Designated experts for RFC9031 (Erik Kline)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Malisa Vucinic 
        <[e-mail]> and Michael Richardson <[e-mail]> 
        as the designated experts for RFC 9031.

        6.6 [IANA #1199105] Designated experts for RFC 9036 (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
        experts for RFC 9036 was assigned to Murray Kucherawy prior to the start 
        of the teleconference.

        6.7 Finalization on blog on "Unofficial side meetings at IETF
            meetings" (Lars Eggert)

        The management issue was discussed.  

        6.8 [IANA #1199760] Renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-
            sbfd-extensions (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
        allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-sbfd-extensions.

        6.9 [IANA #1199761] Renewing early allocation for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-
            app-specific-attr (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
        allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-app-specific-attr.

        6.10 [IANA #1199764] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-
            bgpls-srv6-ext (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
        allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-srv6-ext.

        6.11 [IANA #1199765] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-lsr-
            dynamic-flooding (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
        allocations for draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding.

        6.12 [IANA #1199786] Renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-
            ls-flex-algo (IANA)

        The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
        allocations for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo.

        7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

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        * Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
        for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.