Re: Last Call: <draft-bormann-cbor-04.txt> (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Fri, 09 August 2013 05:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-bormann-cbor-04.txt> (Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR)) to Proposed Standard
From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@gmail.com>wrote:

> The point is that there would BE discussion. Consensus is not enough, the
> process has to be open. A consensus formed by keeping people out of the
> room is no consensus at all.
>

I believe this is why an AD-sponsored document undergoes a Last Call twice
the length of a document that comes out of a working group, and the
comments are typically sent to this list, which is open by definition and
also goes to a more general audience than a working group list would.

I don't see any evidence of attempts to exclude participation here, unless
your concern is sufficiently general that you also believe the Individual
Submission route needs to be abolished because it's too closed.

-MSK