Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impactto applicationdevelopers
Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> Mon, 01 December 2008 21:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impactto applicationdevelopers
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:15:26 +0100
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On 1 dec 2008, at 10:21, Fred Baker wrote: > GSE/8+8 gives us the ability to manage the addresses we exchange in > routing down to a number of prefixes on the order of (eg equivalent > to a small multiple of) the number of autonomous systems. Not really. Or rather, it will, at the following costs: - all IPv6 implementations must be rewritten - need an IPv6->GSE transition strategy but unlike v4->v6 addresses look the same - still renumbering necessary when switching ISPs - identity theft trivial unless we implement id<->locator security protocols - no multihoming without extra protocols to detect and repair failures See draft-ietf-ipngwg-esd-analysis-05.txt or http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/routingandaddressing/routingws-gseproblems.pdf As I've been saying for years: if you fix the problems with GSE, you end up with something that looks a lot like shim6. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to appl… Tony Hain
- Re: Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to … Jari Arkko
- Re: Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to … Ted Hardie
- Re: Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to … Rémi Denis-Courmont
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Tony Hain
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… james woodyatt
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to … Fred Baker
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Eric Klein
- Re: Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to … Marc Manthey
- Re: Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to … Patrik Fältström
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Peter Dambier
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… David Morris
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Tony Hain
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Peter Dambier
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Sam Hartman
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… David Conrad
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Tony Hain
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… David Conrad
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… michael.dillon
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Magnus Westerlund
- The internet architecture Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact to … Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Margaret Wasserman
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… ned+ietf
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Randy Presuhn
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Mark Andrews
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… David Morris
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Tony Hain
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Mark Andrews
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Ted Hardie
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… TJ
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… ned+ietf
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Eric Klein
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Eric Klein
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Eric Klein
- Please move this thread to BEHAVE mailing list ..… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Stig Venaas
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… AJ Jaghori
- Re: The internet architecture Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: The internet architecture Marc Manthey
- Re: The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: The internet architecture Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: The internet architecture Dave CROCKER
- Re: The internet architecture John Day
- Re: The internet architecture Dave CROCKER
- RE: The internet architecture Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: The internet architecture michael.dillon
- RE: The internet architecture Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: The internet architecture Carsten Bormann
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Eric Klein
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Fred Baker
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Fred Baker
- RE: Please move this thread to BEHAVE mailing lis… Tony Hain
- where to have the NAT66 discussion (was Re: [BEHA… Keith Moore
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Handwaving? [Re: [BEHAVE] where to have the NAT66… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Handwaving? [Re: [BEHAVE] where to have the N… Tony Hain
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Christian Huitema
- Re: Please move this thread to BEHAVE mailing lis… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: Handwaving? [Re: [BEHAVE] where to have the N… Keith Moore
- Re: Handwaving? [Re: [BEHAVE] where to have the N… David Morris
- Re: Handwaving? [Re: [BEHAVE] where to have the N… Keith Moore
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Christian Huitema
- Where to discuss NAT66? Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [BEHAVE] Handwaving? [Re: where to have the N… Scott Brim
- Re: [BEHAVE] Handwaving? [Re: where to have the N… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [was BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long te… trejrco
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Steven M. Bellovin
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Tony Hain
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Christian Huitema
- Re: where to have the NAT66 discussion (was Re: [… Dan York
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Fred Baker
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Fred Baker
- Re: [BEHAVE] Handwaving? [Re: where to have the N… Ted Hardie
- Re: [BEHAVE] Handwaving? [Re: where to have the N… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Handwaving? [Re: [BEHAVE] where to have the N… Scott Brim
- Re: [BEHAVE] Handwaving? [Re: where to have the N… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [BEHAVE] Handwaving? [Re: where to have the N… Ralph Droms
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [BEHAVE] Handwaving? [Re: where to have the N… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- NAT66 discussion has been exhausted long ago (was… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: NAT66 discussion has been exhausted long ago Keith Moore
- RE: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term i… Tony Finch
- RE: Where to discuss NAT66? Tony Hain
- Re: The internet architecture Christian Vogt
- Re: The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: The internet architecture Rémi Després
- Re: The internet architecture Marc Manthey
- Re: The internet architecture Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: The internet architecture Marc Manthey
- Re: The internet architecture Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: The internet architecture Stig Venaas
- Re: The internet architecture Keith Moore
- Re: The internet architecture Ken Raeburn
- Re: The internet architecture Keith Moore