Re: Meeting Venue Preference Survey

Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com> Sun, 29 August 2010 20:10 UTC

Return-Path: <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CF23A687A for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:10:57 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -105.27
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.27 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.671, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_RAND_1=2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AUplcr78-nVp for <ietf@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424513A684F for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=rg+ietf@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1283112687; x=1314648687; h=message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:content-type: x-random-sig-tag; z=Message-Id:=20<p0624060ec8a06e860307@[99.111.97.129]> |X-Mailer:=20Eudora=20for=20Mac=20OS=20X|Date:=20Sun,=202 9=20Aug=202010=2013:08:05=20-0700|To:=20Discussion=20IETF =20<ietf@ietf.org>|From:=20Randall=20Gellens=20<rg+ietf@q ualcomm.com>|Subject:=20Re:=20Meeting=20Venue=20Preferenc e=20Survey|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3D"us- ascii"=20=3B=20format=3D"flowed"|X-Random-Sig-Tag:=201.0b 28; bh=ZFC+Xi1HwcvqB4QRJxLmij8nja38QGqQ+G2Qf2T5Apo=; b=ZHcTDLsWeWHW21I8AT8jLSQNGlEUM2xScpGiGCEzrlBV+gFmIMjW3Wsl TzQYFV5eSWqooxkJeyNLGnLc63PD9y4oe+z17+8b5AJsKSf193Xno+D6e avhArph4dG111tnV+SxS9wOv7LQko3FdK+kdOrcLZPrXSGhOSOgffodGZ Y=;
X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6089"; a="52651191"
Received: from ironmsg03-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.18]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 29 Aug 2010 13:11:27 -0700
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,288,1280732400"; d="scan'208";a="5887857"
Received: from myvpn-l-414.ras.qualcomm.com (HELO [99.111.97.129]) ([10.64.129.158]) by Ironmsg03-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 29 Aug 2010 13:11:25 -0700
Mime-Version: 1.0
Message-Id: <p0624060ec8a06e860307@[99.111.97.129]>
X-Mailer: Eudora for Mac OS X
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:08:05 -0700
To: Discussion IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
From: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: Meeting Venue Preference Survey
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
X-Random-Sig-Tag: 1.0b28
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:10:57 -0000

At 3:53 PM -0500 8/27/10, Mary Barnes wrote:

>   I agree 100% that the question is pretty
>   useless if Maastricht is considered secondary.  A survey of the number
>   of hops (planes, trains and automobiles) that participants have to
>   take to each of those "secondary" venues would highlight the distinct
>   difference IMHO.

It's not even the number of hops but the difficulty of figuring them 
out and doing them, plus elapsed time.

>
>    I also added a comment about the fact that some of the differences in
>   responses in terms of tourism opportunities likely depends upon how
>   many sessions the individual needs to attend, how many WGs they chair
>   and how many WGs they are presenting in.  Asking folks that question
>   would really help with the analysis. My guess is that it's those of us
>    that need to be in sessions pretty much solid starting as early as
>   7:30 am and going to beyond 10pm on the majority of the days are the
>   ones that are most concerned about efficiencies and the conveniences
>   in getting the basics of food, a safe/clean place to sleep and
>   Internet.

A good observation.  It's been perplexing how many people seem to 
prefer what I find to be difficult venues that don't work well for 
the core purpose.  I think your explanation makes sense: some people 
go for only a few WGs and hence have lots of time to be a tourist.

--
Randall Gellens
Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
-------------- Randomly selected tag: ---------------
#Random Tag
-- 
Randall Gellens
Opinions are personal;    facts are suspect;    I speak for myself only
-------------- Randomly selected tag: ---------------
Politics is a pendulum whose swings between anarchy and tyranny are fueled by perpetually rejuvenated illusions.
    --Albert Einstein