Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART & TSV Areas
Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com> Fri, 08 September 2023 14:45 UTC
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Subject: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART & TSV Areas
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The IESG proposes to reorganize the areas by merging the web-related working groups in ART with most of the transport area to create a new area called either “Web and Application Transport” (WAT) or “Transport and Web Applications” (TWA), effective at IETF 119. The IESG invites community comment on this change. The Transport area (TSV) is the smallest area in terms of working groups. More importantly, it has been extremely difficult to find candidates for the two Transport AD positions for many years. Although the Transport Area could be managed by one AD, the IESG strongly feels that having a partner is very important for vacation coverage, managing working groups, handling conflicts of interest, and so on. Meanwhile, the Applications and Real Time (ART) area has been growing. The IESG has already requested a third AD position for ART to be seated by the NomCom in 2024. One of these three ART ADs would move to the new area, together with one AD from TSV. Concurrently eliminating a position prevents growth in the overall size of the IESG. Similar to the OPS area, this new area would have two centers of gravity (transport layer and web applications), so that one AD would have transport expertise and the other would have HTTP expertise. Thematically, this new area would have cohesion around traditional Transport subjects and ART protocols that are often used as transports (especially HTTP). These groups tend to have significant attendance overlaps. Affected Working Groups The following working groups would move outside both ART and the new area: - ALTO to OPS - DTN to INT - IPPM to OPS - SCIM to SEC - TIGRESS to SEC The new area would consist of the following working groups: - AVTCORE - CDNI - CCWG - CORE - HTTPAPI - HTTPBIS - MASQUE - MOQ - NFSV4 - QUIC - RTCWEB - TAPS - TCPM - TSVAREA (to be renamed in accordance with the new area and an updated description/purpose) - TSVWG (this may require a minor recharter, but would retain the same competencies) - WEBTRANS All other ART working groups would remain in place. The Transport Area Review Team (TSVART) would not change its purpose, scope, or operations. The Transport-focused AD would have primary responsibility for managing this team. The HTTP Directorate would also remain as-is and would be overseen by the HTTP-oriented AD of the new area. Details about ARTART are TBD. Transition Plan The IESG would request that NomCom not fill the open TSV AD position currently occupied by Martin Duke. Francesca Palombini and Zahed Sarker would be the initial ADs for the new area. The IESG would also request that one of the two ART openings be filled for only a one-year term, so as to stagger future ART AD terms. The new area’s AD terms would initially also end at the same time. In the 2024-2025 NomCom cycle, the IESG would request that the NomCom fill two slots, one with transport expertise and one with HTTP expertise, either of which could be a one-year term (but not both). Next Steps Please submit any comments on this plan, including the name/acronym to iesg@ietf.org no later than 20 Sep 2023 (anywhere on Earth). Concurrently, the IESG will work on updated job descriptions to be transmitted to the NomCom. It anticipates this update will be relatively minor. On Behalf of the IESG, Martin Duke Transport AD
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Paul Wouters
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Salz, Rich
- Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART & TSV… Martin Duke
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Lucas Pardue
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Tommy Pauly
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Tommy Pauly
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Mark Nottingham
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Tommy Pauly
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Salz, Rich
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Dave Taht
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Robert Sparks
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Andrew Newton
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Michael Richardson
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Lloyd W
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Greg Mirsky
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Donald Eastlake
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Bron Gondwana
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Joe Touch
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Jorge Amodio
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Lloyd W
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Jorge Amodio
- DTN was Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of t… Lloyd W
- Re: DTN was Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts … Jorge Amodio
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Christian Huitema
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Ian Swett
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Toerless Eckert
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… David Schinazi
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Bernard Aboba
- RE: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Black, David
- RE: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Tianran Zhou
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Lars Eggert
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Paul Wouters
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Lloyd W
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Paul Wouters
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Abdussalam Baryun
- RE: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Scharf, Michael
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Ted Hardie
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Tommy Pauly
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Ted Hardie
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Hesham ElBakoury
- RE: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Roman Danyliw
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Dave Taht
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… Salz, Rich
- Re: Proposal for Consolidating Parts of the ART &… John C Klensin
- External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidating … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… Keith Moore
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… Christian Huitema
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… George Michaelson
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… Keith Moore
- RE: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… Stewart Bryant
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… tom petch
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: External overlap [Re: Proposal for Consolidat… Keith Moore