Re: admin director (was The other parts of the report..)

Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> Mon, 13 September 2004 15:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: admin director (was The other parts of the report..)
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We have to bootstrap somehow. Asking ISOC to hire someone, on
a fixed term contract of employment, would work for me. Of course,
the team that searches for and interviews the candidates has to
start by writing a job description.

     Brian

John C Klensin wrote:
> 
> --On Friday, 10 September, 2004 08:49 -0400 scott bradner
> <sob@harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>>imo we should start a search for a Administrative Director now
> 
> 
> Good idea, except...
> 
> 	* We have only the vaguest of job descriptions
> 	
> 	* We don't know who the individual would actually be
> 	working for organizationally, which could make a
> 	difference in who would be interested
> 	
> 	* We don't know enough about organizational structure to
> 	be able to have a serious discussion about benefits,
> 	etc., which could make a difference.  We don't even
> 	know, for sure, if we have budget for salary, since that
> 	presumably would need to be approved by the Board of
> 	ISOC and/or the hypothetical foundation.
> 	
> 	* We can't make any assurances about how long the job
> 	commitment is good for, because we don't have a
> 	structure to put around it.  
> 
> And, with regard to the "contractor" question, there are two
> ways of doing "contractor":
> 
> 	(1) The individual is hired as an independent
> 	contractor, and hence is responsible for his or her own
> 	insurance, benefits, taxes, etc., but is otherwise
> 	essentially an employee.  In particular, we select the
> 	individual who is going to be in the role.  The problem
> 	with those models is that sometimes the taxing
> 	authorities don't like them and pronounce words that, in
> 	US-speak are "statutory employee".  Those are _very_ bad
> 	words; for an explanation contact your friendly attorney
> 	or accountant.
> 	
> 	(2) We hire a company to supply us someone.  Problem is
> 	that, at the bottom line, they pick the someone. 
> 
> Neither of these are consistent with the level of control which
> the IETF leadership (or their spokespeople) think they need.  Of
> course, that is another unresolved issue.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
>       john
> 
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