Re: decentralization of Internet (was Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA

Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Fri, 06 September 2013 20:55 UTC

Return-Path: <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023A111E80E0 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:55:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.616
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.317, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OyntTihyRHe5 for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:55:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC5E11E8102 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r86Ktc0Z026207; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 21:55:38 +0100
X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk r86Ktc0Z026207
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1378500938; bh=oDC2o8jBhHBBswjmSHFtbsXKDJw=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=rJD2OZnHofW1lrCWfZcaitqzQkJiM2+g9ncrwY+DVoCh6X7JY5dqv+FJyM6Fdr1AY JAqTsrhR+Nfjg1hotkPrusaLbGs9U8FNUEyWNUSwn3qeojnHerOX9k6I2KkihVFYfU FsZ42dhk5XL7Xplm83ykhoK1Q5p7eU8mhqFbdyP4=
Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25d]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) envelope-from <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id p85Lyc0544515172yC ret-id none; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 21:55:38 +0100
Received: from [192.168.1.110] (host213-123-213-183.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.123.213.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r86KtW2V022152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Sep 2013 21:55:33 +0100
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\))
Subject: Re: decentralization of Internet (was Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to saving the Internet from the NSA
From: Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <CAKFn1SEa_OV+HNJFdfD+gN_Gcs8Ni5up1o4C2-yy_rztYpe_ew@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 21:55:29 +0100
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-ID: <EMEW3|2fce7c1c81d870894e07b5d76dacda81p85Lyc03tjc|ecs.soton.ac.uk|E43FC50A-2384-43AE-A3A6-C96765CE601B@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
References: <CAKFn1SEa_OV+HNJFdfD+gN_Gcs8Ni5up1o4C2-yy_rztYpe_ew@mail.gmail.com> <E43FC50A-2384-43AE-A3A6-C96765CE601B@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
To: Roger Jørgensen <rogerj@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508)
X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean
X-smtpf-Report: sid=p85Lyc054451517200; tid=p85Lyc0544515172yC; client=relay,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=3:0; fails=0
X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: r86Ktc0Z026207
X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Cc: IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 20:55:59 -0000

On 6 Sep 2013, at 21:32, Roger Jørgensen <rogerj@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Adam Novak <interfect@gmail.com> wrote:


>> The IETF focused on developing protocols (and reserving the necessary
>> network numbers) to facilitate direct network peering between private
>> individuals, it could make it much more expensive to mount large-scale
>> traffic interception attacks.
> 
> Think there are work being done on the topic? However, how are you
> going to interconnect all of this private peerings? It sort of imply
> that everyone need to have their own netblock they can exchange with
> others.

Mobile IPv6 gives one way to run multiple devices in one subnet. Someone needs to be the HA though. And/or if future homes have multiple /64's, it's not infeasible to dedicate one or more to virtual/overlay LANs.

Tim