Re: [PWE3] ATM Forum liaison

[Lloyd Wood <[e-mail]>]

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Chip Sharp wrote:

> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:21:21 -0500
> From: Chip Sharp <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [PWE3] ATM Forum liaison
>
> At 11:39 AM 3/11/2002, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Since the IETF has no official liaison process, I want to make sure that
> >PWE3 members are aware of the most recent communication from the ATM Forum.
> > Below is a liaison that was sent to your Chairs and Area Directors.
> >
> >The ATM Forum has added an optional sequence number and length field to our
> >frame format, effectively aligning it with the Fischer draft being
> >considered within PWE3. I would urge members who value a single industry
> >standard to promote Fischer as the most practical way to achieve this.  I
> >also understand that a frame format compatible with Fischer (but not
> >Brayley) is in the current draft document being considered by ITU.
>
> Actually there are two frame formats with *equal status* (Under
> Investigation) under consideration by ITU Study Group 13 Question 5.
> I believe one is compatible with Fischer (contained in what is
> called a draft document) and one is compatible with Brayley (in the
> living list).
>
> Therefore, it looks like the ATM Forum may be the only standards
> group not considering both frame formats.

It's all in the delicate phrasing, isn't it? nicely worded, Jim.
thanks, Chip.

In the light of recent discussion of ITU-T and misrepresentation,
unintentional or otherwise, of the work of standards bodies (the
recent 'Re: Last Call: IETF and ITU-T Collaboration Guidelines to
Informational' thread on [e-mail]) I have to ask:

is anyone here an official ITU-T representative for ITU SG-13 who can
provide an accurate precis endorsed by the ITU?


On 5 March, Scott Bradner said in that thread:

$ the reason behind this at all is that we have had cases of people
$ representing to IETF WGs that they know what is going on in an ITU-T
$ SG but it turned out that in some cases they did not know and thus
$ mislead the listeners about what was going on in the ITU-T - this
$ was meant as a way for the ITU-T management to say, in effect "he
$ knows what is going on" - this was not intended to mean that any
$ such designated person carries any more weight in IETF WG
$ deliberations than does any other individual  - but as Pete points
$ out, it can be useful to actually know what another group is or is not doing.

...as input to decisions based on pure technical merit?

In the interim, I would urge you to ignore Jim's urgings.

L.

is not in the ATM Forum, having read through the directory that includes
http://www.atmforum.com/pages/advantages/self_declaration.html


> Chip
>
> >Jim Harford
> >ATM Forum AIC Chair
> >
> >>  -----Original Message-----
> >> From:   Townsend, Richard L, JR (Rick)
> >> Sent:   Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:49 PM
> >> To:     '[e-mail]'; '[e-mail]'; '[e-mail]';
> >> '[e-mail]'
> >> Subject:     Liaison to IETF PWE# from the ATM Forum
> >>
> >> Liaison to IETF
> >>
> >> To:     Danny McPherson, Co-chair of PWE3 WG    [e-mail]
> >>    Luca Martini, Co-chair of PWE3 WG  [e-mail]
> >>    Scott Bradner, Area Director  [e-mail]
> >>    Allison Mankin, Area Director [e-mail]
> >>
> >> For:  IETF PWE3 WG
> >> Subject:  ATM-MPLS Interworking
> >>
> >> The ATM Forum has recently started work on version 2 of our ATM-MPLS-ATM
> >> Network Interworking specification.  Please note that the initial version
> >> of this specification, af-aic-0178.000, is publicly available at the ATM
> >> Forum's web site at <http://atmforum.com>.
> >>
> >> In version 2, we have added a length and sequence number field to our
> >> frame format, effectively aligning our frame format with
> >> draft-fischer-pwe3-atm-service-02 that you are considering within PWE3.
> >>
> >> Any comments you have will be welcome.
> >>
> >> The next meeting of the ATM Forum is April 21-26 in Prague, Czech
> >> Republic.
> >>
> >>    Rick Townsend
> >>    Chair of the Technical Committee, ATM Forum
> >>    [e-mail]
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