Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-authz-extns
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 15 June 2007 11:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-authz-extns
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On 2007-06-15 10:25, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > Thomas Narten wrote: > >> If the above text were in effect today, would it be sufficient to >> cover the situation at issue here? (Now would be an excellent time >> to consider updates/clarifications to the above text.) > > I don't think so. The text allows IESG to override the allocation > procedures when they judge there is "strong IETF consensus" to do > so. > > In the situation at issue here: IMHO the main question is whether > we have rough consensus that this particular draft should be > published as non-Standards Track RFC. > > If the IESG thinks we have this consensus, they would just approve > the document, and the override procedure would not be needed. Yes it would, if registration normally requires Standards Action. > If > the IESG thinks there is no consensus (or it's too rough), the > override rule wouldn't apply. > > So while I think the override rule might be valuable in some > cases, it doesn't seem to help here. I think another aspect is whether the IETF chooses to give IANA some discretion to document usage which is widespread, but not covered by any IETF document or procedure. It may not be appropriate to expect the IESG to spend time on every case, or even to look for consensus when what is being documented is simply a fact of life. As a friend of mine used to say, you can't vote on facts. Brian _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- RE: IANA registration constraints Bob Braden
- Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-auth… Sam Hartman
- RE: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Eliot Lear
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Dave Crocker
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Tony Finch
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Dave Crocker
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… John C Klensin
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Brian E Carpenter
- IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withdrawi… Dave Crocker
- IANA considerations and IETF Consensus Paul Hoffman
- Re: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… John C Klensin
- Re: IANA registration constraints Dave Crocker
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… John C Klensin
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Thomas Narten
- Type I vs. Type II errors Dave Crocker
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Sam Hartman
- Re: IANA considerations and IETF Consensus Paul Hoffman
- RE: IANA registration constraints Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Russ Housley
- Re: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… Pasi.Eronen
- RE: IANA registration constraints Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: IANA considerations and IETF Consensus Jari Arkko
- Re: IANA registration constraints Jari Arkko
- RE: IANA registration constraints Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: IANA registration constraints Ralph Droms
- RE: IANA registration constraints Paul Hoffman
- Re: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… Paul Hoffman
- RE: IANA registration constraints Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… John C Klensin
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- RE: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: IANA registration constraints Brian E Carpenter
- RE: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… Paul Hoffman
- RE: IANA registration constraints Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- RE: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… michael.dillon
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Thomas Narten
- Re: Type I vs. Type II errors Stephane Bortzmeyer
- RE: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Pasi.Eronen
- RE: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… Pasi.Eronen
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Robert Elz
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Thomas Narten
- Role of IANA in approving assignments Thomas Narten
- Re: Role of IANA in approving assignments Robert Elz
- RE: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… Eastlake III Donald-LDE008
- Re: Role of IANA in approving assignments Sam Hartman
- RE: IANA registration constraints (was: Re: Withd… Paul Hoffman
- Re: Role of IANA in approving assignments Paul Hoffman
- Re: Type I vs. Type II errors Keith Moore
- Re: Type I vs. Type II errors Keith Moore
- Re: Role of IANA in approving assignments Harald Alvestrand
- IANA considerations concerns -- specific cases? Jari Arkko
- Re: Role of IANA in approving assignments Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Withdrawing sponsorship of draft-housley-tls-… John C Klensin