Re: Another document series?

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 30 November 2004 19:24 UTC

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Mike,

As the other co-author to
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-newtrk-cruft-00.txt, 

> [...]Its unclear that either the work in progress or the cited drafts 
> will ever be published as RFCs.  Its also unclear that this 
> (restructuring etc) will be resolved within the 6 month lifetime of any 
> given ID.  Its also unclear that we can afford to either have these 
> expire, or continually resubmit them.  And finally, we NEED to have this 
> set of documents as permanent archivable documents to maintain the 
> historical record.

I think the current cruft draft is best suited only as an I-D.  We are 
right now conducting a cruft experiment.  It is quite possible -- in 
fact darn near certain -- that we will need to update that draft based 
on the experiences of the old-standards mailing list, making the current 
draft, well, cruft.  Depending on the results of the experiment I think 
the WG could produce either an update to RFC 2026/3667/???? or an 
informational RFC.

Why is this not sufficient?  What is it you want to capture?

Eliot


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