Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space database (paws)
"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Tue, 19 April 2011 17:50 UTC
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I think this working group is a good idea. My inclination would be to place it in the Applications area. It looks like a nice application protocol to me. There is a reasonable argument for placing it in RAI, as that is where the relevant GEOLOC work has been done up till now. Yours, Joel M. Halpern On 4/19/2011 12:56 PM, IESG Secretary wrote: > A new IETF working group has been proposed. The IESG has not made any > determination as yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is > provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the > IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Tuesday, April 26, 2011. > > > Protocol to Access White Space database (paws) > ------------------------------------------------ > Current Status: Proposed Working Group > Last updated: 2011-04-14 > > Chairs: > TBD > > Area Directors: > TBD > > Area Advisor: > TBD > > Mailing lists: > Address: paws@ietf.org > To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws > Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/paws/ > > Description of Working Group: > > Governments around the world continue to search for new pieces of radio > spectrum which can be used by the expanding wireless communications > industry to provide more services in the usable spectrum. The concept > of allowing secondary transmissions (licensed or unlicensed) in > frequencies allocated to a primary user is a technique to "unlock" > existing spectrum for new use. An obvious requirement is that these > secondary transmissions do not interfere with the primary use of the > spectrum. Often, in a given physical location, the primary user(s) may > not be using the entire band allocated to them. The available spectrum > for a secondary use would then depend on the location of the secondary > user. The primary user may have a schedule when it uses the spectrum, > which may be available for secondary use outside that schedule. The > fundamental issue is how to determine for a specific location and > specific time, if any of the primary spectrum is available for secondary > use. One simple mechanism is to use a geospatial database that records > protected contours for primary users, and require the secondary users to > check the database prior to selecting what part of the spectrum they > use. Such databases could be available on the Internet for query by > users. > > In a typical implementation of geolocation and database to access TV > white space, a radio is configured with, or has the capability to > determine its location in latitude and longitude. At power-on, before > the device can transmit or use any of the spectrum set aside for > secondary use, the device must identify the relevant database to query, > contact the database, provide its geolocation and receive in return a > list of unoccupied or "white space" spectrum (for example, in a TV > White space implementation, the list of available channels at that > location). The device can then select one of the channels from the list > and begin to transmit and receive on the selected channel. The device > must query the database subsequently on a periodic basis for a list of > unoccupied channels based on certain conditions, e.g. a fixed amount of > time has passed or the device has changed location beyond a specified > threshold. > > The databases are expected to be reachable via the Internet and the > devices querying these databases are expected to have some form of > Internet connectivity, directly or indirectly. The databases may be > country specific since the available spectrum and regulations may vary, > but the fundamental operation of the protocol should be country > independent, thus extensibility of data structures will be required. The > solution will not be tied to any specific spectrum, country, or > phy/mac/air interface but may incorporate relevant aspects of these as > needed for proper operation. > > The proposed working group will : > - standardize a protocol for querying the database, which includes a > location sensitive database discovery mechanism and security for the > protocol, and application services. > - Standardize the data structure to be carried by the query > protocol. > > The protocol must protect both the channel enablement process and the > privacy of users. Robust security mechanisms are required to prevent: > device identity spoofing, modification of device requests, modification > of channel enablement information, impersonation of registered database > services and unauthorized disclosure of a users location. > > Existing IETF location data structures and privacy mechanisms may be > considered for use. The WG will also investigate the need for other > mechanisms and related protocols to the White Space DB. > > The Working Group will set up and maintain appropriate contact and > liaison with other relevant standards bodies and groups, including IEEE > 802.11af and IEEE 802.22 to begin with. The working group may also > consider input from regulatory entities that are involved in the > specification of the rules for secondary use of spectrum in specific > bands. > > Goals and Milestones > > Sep 2011 Submit 'Requirements and Framework' to the IESG for > publication as Informational > > Apr 2012 Submit 'Protocol for Querying a Whitespace Database' to > the IESG for publication as Proposed Standard > > Apr 2012 Submit 'Data Model for Whitespace query protocol' to the > IESG for publication as Proposed Standard > _______________________________________________ > paws mailing list > paws@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paws >
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: WG Review: Protocol to Access White Space dat… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Andrew Sullivan
- RE: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Joel M. Halpern
- RE: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Paul Lambert
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Rex Buddenberg
- RE: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… scott.probasco
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… t.petch
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Alissa Cooper
- RE: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… scott.probasco
- Re: [paws] WG Review: Protocol to Access White Sp… Glen Zorn