Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG
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From: Juan Carlos Zuniga <juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com>
To: Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org>, "int-area@ietf.org" <int-area@ietf.org>, "intarea-chairs@ietf.org" <intarea-chairs@ietf.org>
CC: Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com>, "Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@att.net> (paul.nikolich@att.net)" <paul.nikolich@att.net>, John Messenger <jmessenger@advaoptical.com>, Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas@ericsson.com>, "pat.thaler@broadcom.com" <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG
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Thanks for the quick response Erik. I'm CC'ing some IEEE 802 members that are not in the IntArea mailing list. I hope they can provide some answers to your questions below. Best, Juan Carlos > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:nordmark@acm.org] > Sent: March 22, 2017 8:10 PM > To: Juan Carlos Zuniga <juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com>; int-area@ietf.org; > intarea-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG > to IETF IntArea WG > > On 03/22/2017 02:30 PM, Juan Carlos Zuniga wrote: > > Dear IntArea WG, > > > > > > > > Please note that we have received the attached liaison letter from the > > IEEE 802.1 WG with respect to "IP over intentionally partially > > partitioned links" draft-nordmark-intarea-ippl-05. > > I don't see the document listed on > http://www.ieee802.org/Communications.shtml#Comm_1703 > > Will it be added there so we can refer to it? > > > Some more detailed comments below: > > > 1. The tone of the draft should be, "how a router can take advantage > > of the Asymmetric (Private) VLAN feature offered by 802.1Q bridges." > > > 2. Modifying the section in question to describe how it works, without > > any conformance language on bridge behavior but explaining 802.1Q > > standard bridge configuration instead. > > > 3. Make a normative reference to 802.1Q. > > My bad; I thought I already had it as a reference. > However, I'm not sure it can be normative since both annex B and annex F > are marked as informational in 802.1Q-1998. It wasn't clear to me that there > is sufficient material in the normative parts of 802.1Q-1998 to describe the > required behaviors for promiscuous, community, and isolated ports. > > If the 802.1 group is asserting that all of those behaviors are > (optional) parts of the 802.1Q-1998 standard it would be helpful to know > that. > > In addition, if possible, also to have more specific references to normative > sections in 802.1Q which describe this behavior. > > We'd still need some explanatory text in the draft to map between the > 802.1Q terminology and the "promiscuous, community, isolated" > terminology that is used in industry. Before seeing the test I can't tell > whether such text would need to have RFc2119 terms to describe the > mapping. However, I don't think that would be a constraints on bridge > implementations but instead statements of the form "for the purposes if > running IP over 802.1Q we assume that promisc/community/isolated ports > are configured as follows using the 802.1Q asymetric VLAN standard... > > But that is predicated on the all the necessary "private VLAN" behaviors > being part of the IEEE 802.1Q-1998 standard. So I'd be greatful for > clarifications on that point before I start editing the draft. > > > Thanks, > Erik > > > > > > > If you have any comments, please send them to the list. > > > > > > > > We will also allocate some time for to discuss about this during our > > meeting in Chicago. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Juan-Carlos & Wassim > > > > (IntArea WG co-chairs) > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:*Glenn Parsons [mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com] > > *Sent:* March 22, 2017 4:26 AM > > *To:* statements@ietf.org; Juan Carlos Zuniga > > <juancarlos.zuniga@sigfox.com>; Suresh Krishnan > > <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>; Wassim Haddad > > <wassim.haddad@ericsson.com> > > *Cc:* Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@att.net> (paul.nikolich@att.net) > > <paul.nikolich@att.net>; John Messenger <jmessenger@advaoptical.com>; > > Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas@ericsson.com>; pat.thaler@broadcom.com > > *Subject:* Liaison from IEEE 802.1 WG to IETF IntArea WG > > > > > > > > Please find attached a liaison from the IEEE 802.1 WG. > > > > > > > > I will be available to present this during the IntArea WG meeting. > > This is in regards to your agenda item #4. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Glenn. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Glenn Parsons - Chair, IEEE 802.1 > > > > glenn.parsons@ericsson.com <mailto:glenn.parsons@ericsson.com> > > > > +1-613-963-8141 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Int-area mailing list > > Int-area@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-area > >
- [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison from… Juan Carlos Zuniga
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Erik Nordmark
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Juan Carlos Zuniga
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Glenn Parsons
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Pat Thaler
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Erik Nordmark
- Re: [Int-area] [www.ietf.org/rt #163372] Liaison … Pat Thaler