Re: [Internetgovtech] The Internet, Architecture, Governance, Technical Work and Net History: A Speci

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I may be just dense about what you are trying to say, but I'm
not feeling much greater understanding after reading the note
quoted below than I was before it.  Are you trying to inform us
about something you think we have missed?  Perhaps trying to
start a discussion on a variation of the older topic?  If either
of those, could be you be more specific?   Or, if you are
interested in different perspectives than the ones you are
getting from the IAB and IETF materials you have cited (which I
think your first paragraph below implies), see inline below.
However note that the references listed are my personal
preferences today, with some of them chosen to show some of the
range of opinions and perspectives that exist and that have
already been discussed and written about.  Not only would others
have different lists and different perspectives, but I might
have different opinions on a different day.

--On Thursday, April 25, 2019 17:23 +0700 Guntur Wiseno Putra
<> wrote:

> Dear All John, Hesham and All,
> What are after such an "introductory" reading --such a grand
> image, such a grand map...? -on the Internet architecture and
> governance...? as we are trying to learn of those aspects by
> such reading with the help of a set of knowledges on concept,
> discourse and history...?

For a recent view of the evolution of the technical architecture
of the network (with some excursions toward policy
implications), have a look at David D. Clark, _Designing an
Internet_, MIT Press 2018, ISBN-13: 978-0262038607.

There is also a view that you are unlikely to find in IETF
architectural materials.  From that perspective, with the advent
and very widespread use of the web, the Internet and its
protocol architecture are rapidly becoming nothing more (or
less) than a collection of supporting functions for the web,
with some historical applications that are gradually becoming
irrelevant.   I think an early W3C document, found at , is a good
starting point for understanding key elements of that view (even
though it does not espouse it). 

On the so-called governance side, a good starting point for a
contemporary overview is the Internet Governance Forum and the
various proceedings and associated regional and intersessional
activities you can find from their home page
(  There have also
been a number of summer regional training seminars on the same
general themes.  

A somewhat different perspective, focused differently, can be
found in Jonathan Zittrain's _The Future of the Internet--And
How to Stop It_, Yale University Press, 2008, ISBN-13:

There is also a view that much of what has been discussed under
the "Internet governance" rubric misses key issues (or, perhaps,
is even irrelevant) because much of that work assumes that the
Internet is so new and different that history  and prior policy
context does not count.  Of course, if one goes too far in the
other direction (or _an_ other direction), one gets to the the
theory that all that is needed for the Internet is to
extrapolate traditional telecommunications (mostly telephone)
regulatory frameworks forward a bit and we know that approach
does not work, both for technological reasons and because it has
been tried a few times.

A different approach that I find very helpful is to ask, not
"Internet governance" questions but questions about what one
gets when one starts from traditional, well-established,
international relations models and and examines how Internet
(and related) technologies change things.  The best discussion
of that approach I've run across is Nazli Choucri's
_Cyberpolitics in International Relations_, MIT Press, 2012.   A
brand-new and different view, by the same authors, appears in
Choucri and Clark, _International Relations in the Cyber Age:
The Co-Evolution Dilemma_, MIT Press, 2019.

> Histories, historical stories, attempted above teach us:
> people struggled by technology. At least we have an
> "enthusiasm" for what will come up tomorrow, especially about
> our humanity and society regarding with possibilities of the
> Internet as a kind of communication platform --especially on
> aspects of it: architecture and governance...

> But, there are perhaps lacks with these analytical readings
> --those design and implementation-- being attempted... Here
> thus experts may come with their suggestions...

Well, maybe this is all new and experts haven't been heard from
yet, but I'd urge you to consider, for example, Ithiel de Sola
Pool's two late works from the standpoint of the evolution of
communications policy: _Technologies of Freedom_ (1983) and the
posthumous _Technologies without Boundaries_ (1990), both
Belnap/Harvard University Press.  
Does that help fill in some of the blanks for you or have I
missed your point entirely?