Re: [iola-wgcharter-tool] Trial site available for WG Charter Tool

Robert Sparks <> Tue, 13 September 2011 19:13 UTC

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I haven't seen any response to this. 

I'd still like to help test the tool, but can't make progress without feedback.


On Sep 1, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:

> I tried to test this tool this afternoon, and quickly ran into a crash - the traceback is attached.
> Some questions/observations to help with my next attempt to test:
> 1) It was not obvious where the tool was - Henrik pointed me to the new "Working Groups" link under
> the secretariat portion of the left navigation bar. Is that the only point of entry? 
> 2) I tried to create a new group from scratch leading to the attached crash - The crash happened before it
> asked me for charter text - was that going to be on the next page? On the page that it did provide me, it asked
> several questions that seem to be out of place (or at least fairly high-impedence) - asking for a mailing list,
> the subscription link, and the archive link separately. It's also asking for chairs/advisors/etc at the very beginning.
> In the normal case for a brand new working group, that's information that will come later. Is it the expectation that
> the initial form will have lots of empty fields when submitted - if so, would it make more sense to design an initial
> form that captured what would normally be populated, and an edit form that let you add these other things as they
> became available?
> 3) How do you start an action on an existing working group? Is that integrated into the existing working group pages
> in any way? (It's really not obvious that you should hit the "create WG" button if you're wanting to start a charter update
> effort.)
> 4) You might consider offering a way to edit a charter version online instead of only through a file upload.
> 5) I tried to take the AUN group that's there through to approved so I could start a recharter effort on that
> (to see if I could get a charter-ietf-aun-01-00). But I can't see how it's possible to do that. Can you describe the path
> for me? (This might be the same answer as for 3).
> 6) Is there anything that the tool does when a charter is marked as in the approved state other than just capturing
> that state? Does it touch any other tables/create or update the published wg charter/etc. or is it expected that is still
> manual secretariat action?
> RjS
> <AttributeError at _wgrecord_create_.html>
> Begin forwarded message:
>> From: Russ Housley <>
>> Date: August 30, 2011 5:20:30 PM CDT
>> To: IESG <>
>> Cc: Henrik Levkowetz <>
>> Subject: Fwd: Trial site available for WG Charter Tool
>> Since ADs will be the users of this tool, I would like to have a few volunteers to make sure it does what we want.
>> Russ
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: Henrik Levkowetz <>
>>> Date: August 30, 2011 11:25:49 AM EDT
>>> To:, Ray Pelletier <>
>>> Subject: [iola-wgcharter-tool] Trial site available for WG Charter Tool
>>> Hi,
>>> The developer (Martin Qvist, IOLA) has now indicated that he's done with
>>> the development of the WG Charter tool (as far as he can tell, from his
>>> end of things).
>>> There is a trial version of the tool available here:
>>> It would be helpful if we could get some testers to exercise the tool
>>> now!
>>> (There is one issue which I'll take up for discussion in a separate message;
>>> and that's a possible issue with the specification rather than the code.)
>>> Best regards,
>>> 	Henrik