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[Iotops] end passwords NOW!

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 02 March 2023 21:28 UTC

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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>, iotops@ietf.org
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Comments: In-reply-to Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> message dated "Thu, 02 Mar 2023 13:54:52 +0100."
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Subject: [Iotops] end passwords NOW!
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Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch> wrote:
    > 1. Passwords on devices are a bad idea IOT devices that are associated
    > with north-bound control functions.  This includes bridges, vacuum
    > cleaners, ovens, HVACs, and the like.

I think that you mean that when I connect to my oven, I shouldn't be using a
password to login from my phone and/or browser.

You could also mean that when my oven connects to it's cloud service, that it
shouldn't be using a password.

(These are not mutually exclusive)


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