[Ipoverib] RE: IPoverIB Digest, Vol 16, Issue 21 [IBCA mib comments]
Ali Ayoub <ali@mellanox.co.il> Thu, 15 September 2005 12:22 UTC
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Subject: [Ipoverib] RE: IPoverIB Digest, Vol 16, Issue 21 [IBCA mib comments]
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Hi all, I am Ali Ayoub, and I work for Mellanox technologies. I've started implementing the IBCA MIB module, and I would like to share a few comments regarding the MIB definition as it appears in draft-ietf-ipoib-channel-adapter-mib-07.txt: 1. The MIB definition was written according to tables 259 & 260 (Sections 17.2.1, 17.2.2) of the IB spec, v1 r1.1. However, it does not include important info from section 11.2.1.2 such as: vendor specific information, vendor ID, vendor part ID, HW/FW version. This information is important (from network administrator's point of view). 2. The MIB is almost entirely static in the sense that all the info supplied is determined at driver loading, and does not get changed until the next reboot. An exception to this is "ibCaInterpacketDelayValue" which is dynamic according to the current network topology. I suggest to remove this attribute from the mib to keep it all static (this affects the implementation data structure too and saves unnecessary queries). Dynamic info (such as port state) should be moved to the SMA MIB, and the IBCA MIB definition should become completely static. 3. What is the ibCaSupportsSubnetManager object? I couldn't find it in table 260 as mentioned there. It is by any chance the ibCa*Is*SubnetManager? Then the right place for this object would also be in the SMA MIB. Best regards, Ali Ayoub -----Original Message----- From: ipoverib-request@ietf.org [mailto:ipoverib-request@ietf.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:54 PM To: ipoverib@ietf.org Subject: IPoverIB Digest, Vol 16, Issue 21 Send IPoverIB mailing list submissions to ipoverib@ietf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipoverib or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ipoverib-request@ietf.org You can reach the person managing the list at ipoverib-owner@ietf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of IPoverIB digest..." Today's Topics: 1. I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-channel-adapter-mib-07.txt (Internet-Drafts@ietf.org) 2. I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-ibif-mib-08.txt (Internet-Drafts@ietf.org) 3. I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-subnet-mgmt-agent-mib-08.txt (Internet-Drafts@ietf.org) 4. I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-baseboard-mgmt-agent-mib-03.txt (Internet-Drafts@ietf.org) 5. I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-perf-mgmt-agent-mib-04.txt (Internet-Drafts@ietf.org) 6. RE: Ecosystems cost of additional specs (RE: [Ipoverib] Please re ad - proposed WG termination) (Vivek Kashyap) 7. RE: Ecosystems cost of additional specs (RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination) (Sean Harnedy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:01 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Ipoverib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-channel-adapter-mib-07.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ipoverib@ietf.org Message-ID: <E1EFGn3-00007u-J3@newodin.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP over InfiniBand Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for InfiniBand Channel Adapters (CA) Author(s) : S. Harnedy Filename : draft-ietf-ipoib-channel-adapter-mib-07.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2005-9-13 InfiniBand Architecture (IBA) specifies a high speed, channel based, switched fabric architecture that delivers scalable performance in data centers. This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines objects for managing InfiniBand Channel Adapters (CA). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipoib-channel-adapter-mib-07. txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:01 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Ipoverib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-ibif-mib-08.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ipoverib@ietf.org Message-ID: <E1EFGn3-000089-Kp@newodin.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP over InfiniBand Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for InfiniBand Interface Types Author(s) : B. Anderson, S. Harnedy Filename : draft-ietf-ipoib-ibif-mib-08.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2005-9-13 InfiniBand Architecture (IBA) specifies a high speed, channel based, switched fabric architecture that delivers scalable performance in data centers. This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in Internet community. In particular, it defines objects for managing IBA defined InfiniBand interfaces. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipoib-ibif-mib-08.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ipoib-ibif-mib-08.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipoib-ibif-mib-08.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:01 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Ipoverib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-subnet-mgmt-agent-mib-08.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ipoverib@ietf.org Message-ID: <E1EFGn3-00008b-QH@newodin.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP over InfiniBand Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for the InfiniBand Subnet Management Agent (SMA) Author(s) : S. Harnedy, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ipoib-subnet-mgmt-agent-mib-08.txt Pages : 70 Date : 2005-9-13 InfiniBand Architecture (IBA) specifies a high speed, channel based, switched fabric architecture that delivers scalable performance in data centers. This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines objects for managing InfiniBand Subnet Management Agents (SMA). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipoib-subnet-mgmt-agent-mib-0 8.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:01 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Ipoverib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-baseboard-mgmt-agent-mib-03.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ipoverib@ietf.org Message-ID: <E1EFGn3-00008I-Mb@newodin.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP over InfiniBand Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for the InfiniBand Baseboard Management Agent (BMA) Author(s) : S. Harnedy Filename : draft-ietf-ipoib-baseboard-mgmt-agent-mib-03.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2005-9-13 InfiniBand Architecture (IBA) specifies a high speed, channel based, switched fabric architecture that delivers scalable performance in data centers. This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines objects for managing InfiniBand Baseboard Management Agents (BMA). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipoib-baseboard-mgmt-agent-mi b-03.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ipoib-baseboard-mgmt-agent-mib-03.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipoib-baseboard-mgmt-agent-mib-03.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:01 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Ipoverib] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipoib-perf-mgmt-agent-mib-04.txt To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ipoverib@ietf.org Message-ID: <E1EFGn3-00008S-OP@newodin.ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP over InfiniBand Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definitions of Managed Objects for the InfiniBand Performance Management Agent (PMA) Author(s) : S. Harnedy Filename : draft-ietf-ipoib-perf-mgmt-agent-mib-04.txt Pages : 53 Date : 2005-9-13 InfiniBand Architecture (IBA) specifies a high speed, channel based, switched fabric architecture that delivers scalable performance in data centers. This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it defines objects for managing InfiniBand Performance Management Agents (PMA). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipoib-perf-mgmt-agent-mib-04. txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ipoib-perf-mgmt-agent-mib-04.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipoib-perf-mgmt-agent-mib-04.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/alternative ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Vivek Kashyap <kashyapv@us.ibm.com> Subject: RE: Ecosystems cost of additional specs (RE: [Ipoverib] Please re ad - proposed WG termination) To: "H.K. Jerry Chu" <Jerry.Chu@eng.sun.com> Cc: krause@cup.hp.com, ipoverib@ietf.org Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0509132222020.10239@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, H.K. Jerry Chu wrote: > ... > <snip> > >> In any case, I think the debate has played itself out and the virtual hum >> says to proceed. > > Actually a similar debate and virtual hum already happened a couple of > years ago, before the proposal was accepted as a work item for the WG. There have been other, more recent, agreements/hums too. The connected mode draft became a working group draft late last year/early this year. > So the debate in the past couple of weeks, although interesting and may > even be educational for the late comers, is mostly moot. Wasn't the query whether the wg should continue and if there was interest in the specification? Why would that make the 'virtual hum' now moot? > > The decision facing the working group now is to either have enough > people committed to reviewing and producing a high quality standard, > or have the WG disbanded. We will have to decide soon. I thought the discussion over the last few days was answering the question of WG continuance. In any case, I'm committed to continuing to work on the draft and bringing it to publication. Vivek > > Jerry > >> So, I'll go quiet unless someone has a specific issue or >> wants to continue the debate for some other reason. Mark me down as not >> supporting the hum which is likely just me in this regard. >> >> Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > IPoverIB mailing list > IPoverIB@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipoverib > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:57:20 -0400 From: "Sean Harnedy" <sharnedy@mangrovesystems.com> Subject: RE: Ecosystems cost of additional specs (RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination) To: "Vivek Kashyap" <kashyapv@us.ibm.com>, "H.K. Jerry Chu" <Jerry.Chu@eng.sun.com> Cc: krause@cup.hp.com, ipoverib@ietf.org Message-ID: <8529B5552D4EAA4DAEDF49650C64B2B4C3EF95@tarpon.mangrovesystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have also just updated the 6 IP Over IB MIB I-Ds and they are now on the WG web page again. What needs to be done now to bring these to publication? /sean -----Original Message----- From: ipoverib-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipoverib-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vivek Kashyap Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:56 AM To: H.K. Jerry Chu Cc: krause@cup.hp.com; ipoverib@ietf.org Subject: RE: Ecosystems cost of additional specs (RE: [Ipoverib] Please read - proposed WG termination) On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, H.K. Jerry Chu wrote: > ... > <snip> > >> In any case, I think the debate has played itself out and the virtual hum >> says to proceed. > > Actually a similar debate and virtual hum already happened a couple of > years ago, before the proposal was accepted as a work item for the WG. There have been other, more recent, agreements/hums too. The connected mode draft became a working group draft late last year/early this year. > So the debate in the past couple of weeks, although interesting and may > even be educational for the late comers, is mostly moot. Wasn't the query whether the wg should continue and if there was interest in the specification? Why would that make the 'virtual hum' now moot? > > The decision facing the working group now is to either have enough > people committed to reviewing and producing a high quality standard, > or have the WG disbanded. We will have to decide soon. I thought the discussion over the last few days was answering the question of WG continuance. In any case, I'm committed to continuing to work on the draft and bringing it to publication. Vivek > > Jerry > >> So, I'll go quiet unless someone has a specific issue or >> wants to continue the debate for some other reason. Mark me down as not >> supporting the hum which is likely just me in this regard. >> >> Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > IPoverIB mailing list > IPoverIB@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipoverib > > _______________________________________________ IPoverIB mailing list IPoverIB@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipoverib ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ IPoverIB mailing list IPoverIB@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipoverib End of IPoverIB Digest, Vol 16, Issue 21 ****************************************
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