Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ioam-00.txt
Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.ietf@gmail.com> Sat, 07 October 2023 14:37 UTC
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From: Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2023 10:36:58 -0400
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Subject: Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ioam-00.txt
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Hi Greg, Thank you for your comments. Please see inline with <RG2>... On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:44 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Rakesh, > I appreciate your consideration of my notes. I have added follow-ups below > under the GIM>> tag. > > Regards, > Greg > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:59 AM Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.ietf@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks Greg for your comments. Please see inline tagged with <RG>... >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 9:18 PM Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Rakesh, >>> thank you for bringing this contribution to the discussion. I have >>> several notes on the problem and solution presented in the draft. Please >>> find those below: >>> >>> - As I understand it, the purpose of the proposed STAMP extensions >>> is to return collected in IOAM Preallocated or Incremental trace type modes >>> operational and telemetry information. That seems like not a generic >>> solution. I think that collection of on-path telemetry information is more >>> suitable for the management plane, not for OAM. If we consider Large-Scale >>> Measurement of Broadband Performance (LMAP) architecture, when a STAMP test >>> packet is combined with the IOAM Header, the Session-Reflector, from the >>> PoV of on-path telemetry measurement, may be viewed as the Measurement >>> Agent that exports information to a Collector. And such a Collector could >>> be co-located with the Session-Sender or be placed in several nodes. Would >>> you agree? It seems to me like a more generic solution would be beneficial >>> for operators. >>> >>> >> <RG> Active measurement mode for IOAM is defined in RFC 9378. The draft >> simply uses STAMP probe packets for active measurement and leverages >> midpoint treatment as described in RFC 9378. >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9378#name-active-flag >> > GIM>> I don't think that RFC 9378 is intended to define anything. I think > that it, as the Informational track document, provides information that > might be useful to a reader. IOAM's Active flag, as I understand it, could > be useful in case the payload is not a conventional test packet that is > identified by, for example, a UDP destination port. In that case, we could > expect that an IOAM edge node will drop the packet if the IOAM header > carries the Active flag. Since your proposal uses the STAMP test message, I > cannot find an additional benefit of using the IOAM Active flag. Am I > missing something here? > <RG2> Agree that STAMP packet would not require an active flag. I believe the active measurement is within the scope of IOAM. > >> >>> - And a minor note about the applicability of IOAM in the MPLS >>> Network Action discussion. As I understand it, the MPLS WG is still in the >>> discussion of which mode of IOAM tracing to support with the MNA solution. >>> It could be that only the IOAM-DEX mode will be supported with In-Stack >>> Data (ISD) MNA. It seems like if that is the direction the MPLS WG takes, >>> the proposed STAMP extensions would not be useful in MPLS underlays, e.g., >>> IP/MPLS or SR-MPLS. >>> >>> >> <RG> Solution for MPLS Network Action (MNA) Sub-stack is defined in the >> MPLS WG document. It can be carried by STAMP packets for MPLS data planes >> that can leverage midpoint treatment for active measurement. >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-mna-hdr/ >> > GIM>> I got confused by the second sentence. Do you envision IOAM being > part of STAMP when the underlay is an MPLS network? If you could draw an > example of such an arrangement, that would be most helpful. > <RG2> Yes. I believe this is in the draft in Section 3.2. Thanks, Rakesh > >> thanks, >> Rakesh >> >> >> My notes above, as I think of it, are also relevant to the work presented >>> at our IETF-117 session. In fact, these notes are an extended version of my >>> comments at the mic. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Greg >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 6:50 AM Rakesh Gandhi <rgandhi.ietf@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi WG, >>>> >>>> Like to request your review comments and thoughts on the following new >>>> draft on STAMP extensions for HBH. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rakesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> A new version of I-D, draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ioam-00.txt >>>>> has been successfully submitted by Rakesh Gandhi and posted to the >>>>> IETF repository. >>>>> >>>>> Name: draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ioam >>>>> Revision: 00 >>>>> Title: Simple TWAMP (STAMP) Extensions for Hop-By-Hop and >>>>> Edge-To-Edge Measurements >>>>> Document date: 2023-08-16 >>>>> Group: Individual Submission >>>>> Pages: 13 >>>>> URL: >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ioam-00.txt >>>>> Status: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ioam/ >>>>> Htmlized: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-gandhi-ippm-stamp-ioam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> Simple Two-Way Active Measurement Protocol (STAMP) defined in RFC >>>>> 8762 and its optional extensions defined in RFC 8972 can be used for >>>>> Edge-To-Edge (E2E) active measurement. In Situ Operations, >>>>> Administration, and Maintenance (IOAM) data fields defined in RFC >>>>> 9197 and RFC 9326 can be used for recording and collecting >>>>> Hop-By-Hop >>>>> (HBH) and E2E operational and telemetry information. This document >>>>> extends STAMP to carry IOAM data fields for HBH and E2E two-way >>>>> active measurement and telemetry. The STAMP extensions are generic >>>>> and allow to carry and reflect any type of IPv6 option and MPLS >>>>> Network Action Sub-Stacks for two-way active measurement. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The IETF Secretariat >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ippm mailing list >>>> ippm@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm >>>> >>>
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Rakesh Gandhi
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Rakesh Gandhi
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] New Version Notification for draft-gan… Rakesh Gandhi