RE: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04.txt
"Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <dromasca@avaya.com> Wed, 20 December 2006 06:19 UTC
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Subject: RE: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04.txt
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:19:50 +0200
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I have several concerns related to this work. 1. I believe that the layering model and the terminology used in this draft are not accurate enough. The layering model mixed layer 2 and layer 3 devices and links. The draft uses non-standard terminology - for example the term 'Ethernet switch' in section 2.1, which has no formal definition here or some place else. I would suggest that this work considers using the IEEE 802 terminology, specifically in this example the one used to define bridges in IEEE 802.1 2. The definition of 'node' in 2.1 is central in defining further the concepts of 'link' and 'path'. However, the definition is confusing to me when it says 'We define nodes as hosts, routers, Ethernet switches, or any other device where the input and output links have different characteristics. ' What these 'different characteristics' are? Is an Ethernet bridge ('switch') where the ingress and egress ports are at the same speed and which makes no change to the packet format a node according to this definition? What about a IEEE 802.3 repeater? 3. Section 2.2 defines the 'physical link capacity' - it is not clear to me why the role of section is at all - however if it's already there it looks to me that it intents to refer rather to link layer and not physical layer. Also note that the majority of the links in Ethernet have the capacity to change their speed (capacity) as a result of management actions or auto-negotiation 4. In general I believe that we should look at the current instrumentation in network devices. Routers are usually instrumented to measure ifSpeed as pr section 3.1.7 in RFC2863, while Ethernet devices will measure ifSpeed as per Section 3.2.9 in RFC3635. It would be good if the IP layer capacity definitions would consider what can be measured by this instrumentation at the ports that are placed at the extremity of the link. A discussion of relationship with current ifSpeed definition in other IETF standards is needed IMO 5. I have a major concern about the way path and path capacity are being defined. Beyond the mix of layer 2 and layer 3 devices which would make measurement very difficult at a layer 2 bridge port which typically has no IP layer awareness, the definition of path capacity in 2.3.2 and 2.3.3 seems to make the assumption that the nodes have no influence in the path capacity. This is not always the case. Packets can be dropped by nodes, and the forwarding engine in a bridge for example has a capacity of its own which is not guaranteed to be always better than the one of the links. 6. In the discussion in 3.3 I believe that the packet size has by far the major contribution in the IP layer capacity, and actually the MTU which is not mentioned at all. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Henk Uijterwaal [mailto:henk@ripe.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:21 AM > To: ippm@ietf.org > Subject: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04.txt > > IPPM group, > > The draft "Defining Network Capacity" > (draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04.txt) > has been discussed extensively in this group and appears to > be stable by now. We like to start a WGLC on it in order to > move it forward. Please raise any remaining issues by > Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 12:00 UTC. > > An URL for the draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04.txt > > Matt & Henk > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre > http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > # Lawyer: "Now sir, I'm sure you are an intelligent and honest man--" > # Witness: "Thank you. If I weren't under oath, I'd return > the compliment." > > > _______________________________________________ > ippm mailing list > ippm@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm > _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm
- [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04.txt Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04… Mark Allman
- [ippm] AD review of draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-0… Lars Eggert
- Re: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04… Matthew J Zekauskas
- RE: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [ippm] WGLC on draft-ietf-ippm-bw-capacity-04… Joseph Kopena