Re: Generic IPR Disclosures
TGLASSEY <tglassey@earthlink.net> Fri, 09 May 2014 15:13 UTC
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Its perfect its the four of us on this one... Gentlemen if I may, Here is the issue - there is this US Sup.Ct. Case called Gellman which set very strong standards for the conveyance of IP and made explicit requirements therein for patent (and trade secret issues). This was in California complicated by the Ninth Circuit filing in a CUTSA complaint that all trade secret matters would be addressed as such including patent issues. Why this is important to the IETF is it violates Trade Secret Management Practices by its one-way licensing and as such it is the control of trade secret inclusions in IETF IP that should happen. Todd On 5/9/2014 3:37 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > > --On Thursday, 08 May, 2014 22:13 -0700 SM <sm@resistor.net> > wrote: > >> Hi John, >> At 19:47 08-05-2014, John C Klensin wrote: >>> Are you saying anything different from "a third party >>> disclosure may identify IPR related to a particular >>> specification but, obviously and logically, cannot make a >>> binding statement about licensing terms."? >> No. > Then, given the "obviously and logically" part, why are we > having this discussion? Isn't it, at most, just and editorial > suggestion that revisions of the IPR spec make that point > explicitly? > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > Ipr-wg mailing list > Ipr-wg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipr-wg > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4577 / Virus Database: 3931/7462 - Release Date: 05/08/14 > > -- ------------- Personal Email - Disclaimers Apply
- Generic IPR Disclosures SM
- Re: Generic IPR Disclosures Bradner, Scott
- Re: Generic IPR Disclosures SM
- Re: Generic IPR Disclosures John C Klensin
- Re: Generic IPR Disclosures SM
- Re: Generic IPR Disclosures TGLASSEY
- Re: Generic IPR Disclosures John C Klensin
- Re: Generic IPR Disclosures TGLASSEY
- Re: Generic IPR Disclosures SM