Re: Status of a disclosure when technology is removed from a draft?

tsg <tglassey@earthlink.net> Fri, 26 April 2013 19:50 UTC

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Brian - the IETF published with a permanent and non revokable license to 
use the first IP publication. Now that it has a piece of objectionable 
IPR in it - its too late. The cat is already out of the bag and based on 
the license there is an issue.

todd


On 04/26/2013 12:44 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A case has just occurred of the following sequence:
>
> 1. A draft is posted that contains an algorithm;
> 2. A corresponding IPR disclosure is posted;
> 3. After WG discussion, the draft is updated with the algorithm removed.
>
> What next? The IPR disclosure is still there. Normally, we assume
> that the disclosure remains relevant to following versions of the
> draft without being re-posted each time. (In fact, do we even expect
> a repeat disclosure for the eventual RFC? I don't think so.)
>
> Is there a need for a formal rule for this case?
>
> And what should the IPR holder do now? If they do nothing, the
> updated draft might be assumed to be encumbered.
>
> (FYI the draft is draft-krishnan-opsawg-large-flow-load-balancing
> and the disclosure is https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2060/ .)
>
>      Brian
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