Re: RFC3979bis section 7 -- hierarchy of preference for licensing

Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> Tue, 13 August 2013 21:13 UTC

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From: Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org>
To: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
Subject: Re: RFC3979bis section 7 -- hierarchy of preference for licensing
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Hi Peter,

On 8.13.2013 10:23 , "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote:

>On 8/13/13 11:05 AM, Stephan Wenger wrote:
>> Barry,
>> Your formulation is certainly more accessible.  I'm fine with it.
>
>Agreed.
>
>Formatting aside, is that hierarchy of options complete and accurate? It
>looks fine to me and consistent with our "running code" in these
>matters. 

That's what I aimed for.  Not being creative, but simply reflecting what
has been going on for years.

>I wonder: do we need to specify a bit more what we mean by
>"open-source-friendly non-assert terms"?

In my original email I recommended against an attempt to be more specific
in defining RAND.  The same thought applies here.

The term "non-assert term", in the context of Section 7, is, I believe,
well understood and does not need further explanation or description.

What is "open-source friendly" is not up to the IETF to decide.  It is to
be decided by the open source communities, each of which may well have
their own criteria and may well arrive at different conclusions for the
same disclosure text.  And whether they are right or wrong in their
assessment is ultimately to be decided the courts.

>
>Peter
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