Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00
todd.glassey@att.net Tue, 18 October 2005 13:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00
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-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott Bradner) > > Simon lists: > A list of modifications forbidden by RFC 3978 that I want to be able > to do: > > * Typographical changes. Compare the table at: > http://josefsson.org/gss/manual/gss.html#Context_002dLevel-Routines > with the table in section 2 of RFC 2744. I have added punctuation > because the RFC uses inconsistent punctuation, and I have removed > the "section" column because that column refer to RFC internal > section numbers. This is actually a larger issue for all of us dyslexic engineers that want to participate - are you thinking of instituting a language-style requirement like passing a strunk & white filter for instance. Might not be a bad idea - would unify the document style which would make one dovcument easier to compare to another. > > >> if the punctuation difference is significant use the errata process > >> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata.html > >> I'd think that a pointer to the correct RFC section would be useful > > * Modify ASN.1 schemas to make minor adjustments. Compare the ASN.1 > schema I use for Kerberos 5 in Shishi: > > http://josefsson.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/shishi/lib/kerberos5.asn1?rev=1.8&view= > auto > with the ASN.1 schema in RFC 4120. I had to change 'INTEGER > (0..429467295)' into 'INTEGER' because my ASN.1 library do not > handle bignums. This is more than a style issue - it is an implementation specific recoding - which may be why ASN.1 is not the best of all possible notation schemas since it is implemented at low levels with different functional datatypes - endian, size-wise, etc. > This doesn't result in any change of protocol > behavior, of course. But it easily could and this is the problem - that it doesnt in your case is sheer luck. > Other Kerberos 5 implementation need the same > right. I looked at both MIT Kerberos 5 and Heimdal, and they both > ship modified ASN.1 schemas. In fact, they have modified the > schemas considerably more than I have. In fact since ASN.1 is a pseudocoding framework, it makes sense to have a coding style standard as well. > > >> sounds like significant changes - i.e., impact interoperability - > >> should be done through the IETF standards process > > * Remove non-applicable portions of introductory sections, when > incorporating them into my manual. Compare section 3 of RFC 2222 > <with http://josefsson.org/gsasl/manual/gsasl.html#SASL-Overview>. > I have removed some forward references, such as a sentence: > > SASL mechanism names must be registered with the IANA. Procedures > for registering new SASL mechanisms are given in the section > "Registration procedures". > > Having that specific sentence in my manual isn't useful for the > reader, but the rest of that text is very useful. Then you have a derivative work... > > >> enabled by draft-ietf-ipr-rules-update-01.txt > > * Extract portions of RFCs into source code comment, after removing > line breaks and other material. See: > > http://josefsson.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gsasl/lib/digest-md5/validate.c?rev=1.8 > &view=auto > Most of the comments are taken from the RFC, to document which > MUST/SHOULD requirements are translated into 'if' tests. > > >> extracts (not modified) enabled by draft-ietf-ipr-rules-update-01.txt > > * Use tables with Unicode code points from RFCs, e.g., compare RFC > 3454 with how my Libidn is incorporated in GNU Libc: > > http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/libc/libidn/rfc3454.c?rev=1.1&conte > nt-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=glibc > The tables are modified heavily, typographically, from the RFC. Which brings us back to the question - what does the IETF or ISOC plan to do about people who violate the use rules with the materials the ISOC is contracting with the submitters to protect. > > >> sounds like significant changes - i.e., impact interoperability - > >> should be done through the IETF standards process > > * Extract function comments into source code, and be able to improve > them over time. E.g., compare RFC 2744 with: > http://josefsson.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gss/lib/context.c?rev=1.31&view=auto > That file contain comments derived from the RFC, but sometimes I > have improved on the function description with more information that > the end-user may find helpful. > > >> extracts (not modified) enabled by draft-ietf-ipr-rules-update-01.txt > >> append improvement to end of extracted material or just replace > >> extract > > >> looks like the significant difference is where you want to make > >> significant (in terms of interoperability) changes (the rest of your > >> examples seem cosmetic) - it is my opinion that inetroperability-impacting > >> changes should be done through the IETF Standards Process for IETF > >> documents > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > Ipr-wg mailing list > Ipr-wg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipr-wg _______________________________________________ Ipr-wg mailing list Ipr-wg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipr-wg
- draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Ted Hardie
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd.glassey
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Ted Hardie
- RE: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Powers Chuck-RXCP20
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd.glassey
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd glassey
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd.glassey
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Matthew Garrett
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Matthew Garrett
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Matthew Garrett
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Scott Bradner
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Scott Bradner
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Scott Bradner
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- RE: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Contreras, Jorge
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd.glassey
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Matthew Garrett
- RE: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Contreras, Jorge
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Scott Bradner
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Matthew Garrett
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd.glassey
- RE: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd.glassey
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Ted Hardie
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Scott Bradner
- RE: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Contreras, Jorge
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Bill Sommerfeld
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- RE: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Contreras, Jorge
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- RE: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Contreras, Jorge
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Ted Hardie
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Ted Hardie
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd glassey
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Joel M. Halpern
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Scott Bradner
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 todd.glassey
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Branden Robinson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Branden Robinson
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00 Simon Josefsson
- errata (was: draft-josefsson-ipr-rules-update-00) Frank Ellermann