Re: draft-savola-ipr-lastcall-02
Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> Tue, 03 June 2003 17:30 UTC
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From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: draft-savola-ipr-lastcall-02
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Pekka Savola wrote: > > > > On Wed, 28 May 2003, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > > > > If a verbal IPR disclosure has been minuted in a WG meeting, > > > > > or an informal IPR disclosure has been made on an IETF mailing list, > > > > > documents should not be last-called until a formal IPR disclosure > > > > > > > > is your use of "should" here intentional? (I take it, yes). I'd use > > > > "must" and fall back to the exception list mentioned above when that isn't > > > > the sensible approach. > > > > > > Well, I would prefer to give the IESG discretion, hence "should". That > > > is so that if they detect a DoS attack or pure FUD, they have a > > > way out. > > > > My worry with should is "nah, I don't bother with adding IPR > > considerations in the last call, it isn't required -- only a should" or > > "this seems like a difficult issue, so I'll just omit the rule so it's > > easier". > > > > Ie. attitude problems. With a must, it's more difficult to justify why it > > wasn't done.. unless there are very good reasons for it. > > > > My fears wrt. WG chairs or ADs/IESG may be unfounded too, of course. :-) > > I'm actually more worried about this the more I think about it. > Over on another mailing list we are talking about how to speed up > the IETF process. With your proposal, an inaccurate informal disclosure > or even a 3rd party rumour could block a draft for a long time. I trust > the IESG on this more than I trust FUD-mongers, so I really do think > we must give the IESG the possibility of proceeding without a > disclosure if needed. Could you send me some more information off-list? I think I can accept a 'should' to leave room for flexibility; I'll add some recommanding text why it is a "strong should", though. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Ipr-wg mailing list Ipr-wg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipr-wg
- Re: draft-savola-ipr-lastcall-02 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: draft-savola-ipr-lastcall-02 Pekka Savola