Re: [IPsec] graveyard: deprecate->historic

Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> Fri, 10 January 2020 08:01 UTC

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On 12/23/19 10:46 AM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> Since we're in pedantic process mode...
[snip]
> Perhaps something like "IKEv1 is no longer relevant for Internet
> systems" would work, though I suspect we could even get away without such
> an intro sentence and just dive in straight with "Systems running IKEv1
> should be upgraded and reconfigured to run IKEv2.

   See that's the thing. There is nothing compelling to force the change 
away
from "no longer relevant" so people still use it. If there was something
compelling to make people want to change we wouldn't be forced to do this,
sigh, die die die nonsense. Perhaps, "we're the IETF and we are really
serious now". That should dispel all doubt in whoever happens to read this
RFC. That way we won't need a die die die die or a die die die die die die.

   Dan.