Re: [IPsec] Moving Authentication Header (AH) to Historic
Venkatesh Sriram <vnktshsriram@gmail.com> Fri, 30 December 2011 16:47 UTC
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From: Venkatesh Sriram <vnktshsriram@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Moving Authentication Header (AH) to Historic
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AH and ESP can theoretically be applied in combination with each other to exploit the strengths of both protocols but, in most real-world scenarios, ESP alone is enough. When used together, AH authentication and ESP encryption results in a higher percentage increase in network load for small files when compared to ESP encryption and authentication. If the percentage of small files sent over a network is significant and the network has limited bandwidth (wireless?), then its always better to use ESP instead of AH to provide authentication. I am yet to come across a really compelling argument in favor of AH. A small nit - You should also mention RFC 5879 - "Heuristics for Detecting ESP-NULL Packets" along side RFC 5840 - WESP when you discuss deep inspecting ESP-NULL packets. Sriram On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Bhatia, Manav (Manav) <manav.bhatia@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We have had several discussions in the past about the utility of AH when ESP with NULL encryption offers everything that AH has to offer. I have written a very small draft that recommends moving AH to the Historic status. This document does NOT deprecate AH and it does NOT mean that people should stop using AH now. All it means is that other WGs should use ESP-NULL whenever defining integrity verification mechanisms and should only use AH when authentication cannot be achieved with ESP-NULL. I also discuss a few points that people usually put in favor of AH over ESP and why I think that those are not very relevant. > > I would love to hear feedback from the WG. > > The URL for the draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bhatia-moving-ah-to-historic-00.txt > > Happy New Year in advance! > > Cheers, Manav > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Reply-to: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-bhatia-moving-ah-to-historic-00.txt > X-RSN: 1/0/935/40711/44097 > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > Title : Moving Authentication Header (AH) to Historic > Author(s) : Manav Bhatia > Filename : draft-bhatia-moving-ah-to-historic-00.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2011-12-29 > > This document recommends retiring Authentication Header (AH) and > discusses the reasons for doing so. It recommends moving RFC 4302 to > Historic status. > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bhatia-moving-ah-to-historic-00.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bhatia-moving-ah-to-historic-00.txt > > _______________________________________________ > IPsec mailing list > IPsec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec
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- Re: [IPsec] Moving Authentication Header (AH) to … Melinda Shore
- Re: [IPsec] Moving Authentication Header (AH) to … Yoav Nir
- Re: [IPsec] Moving Authentication Header (AH) to … Jack Kohn
- Re: [IPsec] Moving Authentication Header (AH) to … Melinda Shore
- Re: [IPsec] Moving Authentication Header (AH) to … Venkatesh Sriram
- [IPsec] 答复: Moving Authentication Header (AH) to … Dacheng Zhang(Dacheng)
- Re: [IPsec] 答复: Moving Authentication Header (AH)… Yaron Sheffer
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